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2020.10.22 10:02 Caliponix 5 years with a Predator

I spent five years of my life in love with a predator. I question my judgement, with every encounter, because I know this snake got past it. I call him X.
I Loved Him. I felt soo lucky that he seemed interested in me, despite the ‘disadvantage’ of being 23 years younger than him. This wasn’t a trend in my life, I’d never dated someone remotely that far from my age range. It was something about X. I fell in love with his brain, his humor, the way my skin tingled when he touched me. For a while the chemistry was pure and electric.
There were issues, but they mostly seemed to come back at me. I was significantly less well off than X, he was a Dr. A well respected GP within his community. I was a single mother in my early 20s, and working at that time as a certified massage therapist. Daily life was a struggle for me, and X used money as a reason to withhold respect. If I wanted respect, I could be an equal contributor. Except he would always assure me that he knew I probably wouldn’t be able to make a comparable amount of money to him, he would accept it if I just achieved what he knew I was capable of. Because of how much he loved, and believed in me. Of course, getting a better job, rounding out my education, and raising my daughter were priorities for me, so him pushing me towards these things rang no alarms at the time.
I have spent most of my 20s trying to ‘Make It’. I’m 30 now. I didn’t ‘Make it’.
When X and I had been together about a year, when I was a 24 year old mother of 1, I learned that I had a genetic condition called Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. The diagnosis was difficult to hear, but it clarified many of the unexplained health issues that had complicated my path to self sufficiency.
It was this diagnosis that led me to two, very painful, realizations. 1) I needed to retire from the career that was supporting my needs 2) I shouldn’t have any more children. For my health and theirs.
X was fine with us not planning to have children; he even got a vasectomy the following year. It was harder for me to accept. I had always hoped to have at least two children, I’m a middle child of four, and I wanted my daughter to have a sibling. It was a frequent subject of discussion for the year before his vasectomy, and even for some time after. I had a lot of trouble reconciling my understanding of my medical problems with my desires for the family I wanted to build.
X had 2 children of his own, a boy and a girl. Our kids were all 3 years apart, with my daughter being the youngest (*3yo at the start of our relationship). Neither he nor his children got on well with my daughter, despite me having a good relationship with both of his children. I couldn’t seem to get them to stop treating my daughter like an intruder, to give her the same latitude and understanding that they gave each other… I failed at communicating this, or preventing the bullying from affecting my daughter. I’ll carry the shame of that for the rest of my life. When my daughter comes to me about this one day, I’ll have no defense. Only apologies. She deserved so much better than that.
The really sad part is that I was convinced that she was still better off in that situation, than with me alone. I was so beaten down, so convinced of my own ineptitude. I relied on X to be the stability he said I lacked. At least she lived in a nice house, room to run and play safely, a tree-house to zip line off of (X and I spent 2 years building that), and chickens to chase. My daughter is just 10 now, and still has fond memories of that house, and the home we had there. I wonder when she’ll start to remember the bad. I’ll be here for her when she does.
INCIDENT: It was probably early fall, I can’t quite remember the exact details because this night was like so many others. Until it wasn’t. We had gone out to our hot tub, smoked some weed, X had a whisky and I had a hard cider. X had taken an Ambien right before getting into the hot tub, without planning to go to sleep, or telling me that he had taken a drug that impaired him to that degree. I don’t remember much about the conversation we’d had, but I do remember that I had to put a tampon in before getting in the hot-tub, since I was on the tail end of my period (Sorry TMI, but its relevant).
We came inside, toweled off, and were snacking away our munchies in the kitchen while family guy played on the TV in the living room. The open floor plan had the back of the main sofa parallel with the kitchen island, maybe 8 feet apart. Our heavy robes for walking in/outside were draped over the back of the couch, along with our clothes.
X was being sexual, groping me and manhandling me more than was typical even for him. I was beginning to sense that something was wrong. We were standing in front of the dishwasher; I had my back to the counter. We started to kiss, I tried to gently push him back from me, and he responded by grabbing me by the throat. He pushed me backwards quickly, with his body pressed against my legs holding them in place he forced my upper body straight back onto the counter. I was bent like an L over that counter backwards, I thought I had broken my spine, or ruptured a disc. After all, I could only go on the intensity of the pain I was feeling, which was extreme. I cried out “PANDA!!!” which while ridiculous, was also my safe word. He ignored it.
I began to scream, frantic shrieks of pain. At first X looked annoyed, but then he started to laugh. He pulled me down from the counter and dropped me to the floor facedown. I was still screaming. I was Begging him for help, while he watched me writhe. He told me to Shut Up. He kept laughing at me the whole time. Insulting me… for my low pain tolerance I guess. I slowly began to pull myself away from him, towards to sofa in the living room. Mostly I was dragging myself by my arms, as my legs were seized up and numb still from the trauma to my spinal column. I can’t remember everything he said, I only remember feeling increasing dread when he finally walked over to me. I wasn’t sure what was about to happen.
He reached down and pulled me up by my right wrist, and tossed me facedown over the back of the couch. My face was buried in the back of the brown suede seat, and I could feel X behind me, pressed against my butt, hard. He slapped my behind several times, very hard and then he was clearly about to start having sex with me. All the while I’m saying No No No over and over again, Panda, over and over again. At one point, right before he was about to enter I almost got him to stop, I cried “I’ve got a tampon in!” I felt his pause. Then he laughed again, and said he didn’t care. He entered me. Despite the waterlogged tampon in the way he just plugged away. It hurt very much. Sex was painful for weeks after that, but X seemed oblivious as to why my vag might need a @#%ing break. He didn’t apologize that I recall, or bring it up. I certainly didn’t. I kept my head down, worked my two jobs and juggled full time college courses. Dying inside. Being the best girlfriend he didn’t deserve, so that I could protect the life I had built for myself and my daughter.
INCIDENT: Nov 5-19th continuous It began just after election night. I got sick, very sick, while I was at my campus taking one of my classes. X and his kids had to come and pick me up because I wasn’t able to drive. He was very put out about it all, it was an inconvenience to him. I spent the next week with a rising fever, constant vomiting, a headache that’s close cousins with a hatchet, and body aches with chills fit to shatter me apart. I medicated for my symptoms, Tylenol, ibuprofen, all the standard stuff, which of course I had on hand living with an M.D. X kept a pharmacy in his walk in closet and under the sink. I tried to take care of myself, because DR X wanted nothing to do with me.
He felt I was ‘too upset’ about the election. It was nbd that Trump was setting down the path that led to HERE (10/21/2020). This was his justification for ignoring me while I wilted away. Sunday he left me alone, with all three children and informed me that it was my job to supervise them through all their Sunday chores while he was out. Never mind that I wound up chasing those cats until sanity demanded that I take a break from puking so I could do their chores myself. That way X wouldn’t come down on me for them not being done. I don’t know how I did it. He came home at the kids’ bedtime, and didn’t express any concern for me. It was Monday night when I took my temperature, it was 104.4 F.
I knew I was in serious trouble. X was out with his son, and his daughter with her mother, so I called a friend to take me to an urgent care. They transported me to a nearby hospital where I stayed for a week while under treatment for an aggressive kidney infection. It had been difficult to diagnose initially, because of my medical history with kidney infections, I’m generally pretty sure when I have one. But this sneaky bugger was asymptomatic, so I just thought I had a WICKED FLU that I needed to wait out.
X showed up 2x while I was in the hospital. Once the night I was admitted, to bring me a few things (*I think? Can’t really remember what happened that night, I was delirious), he didn’t hang around long. The next time was to pick, me up, the following Friday afternoon. I thought maybe he’d feel badly about how he’d treated me the week before, as I’d been getting sicker. He did initially, I thought. He wanted me to come with him, he said, to a friend’s house for a barbeque.
He’d been invited, and he’d been so busy all week and hadn’t had any time for HIM. “So it would mean so much if we could do this together, baby, please?” It turns out this friend was someone I’d met before, and didn’t have a great relationship with. I’d mostly been able to deescalate and stay chill around this guy, but he’s a real life troll who loves ticking people off, so it was a real struggle. It didn’t help that his relationship with his longtime girlfriend was one of the most obviously abusive relationships I’d ever seen. His name was Greg.
After attempting to get him to go on his own, let me stay home and rest (I was still sick, just well enough finally to leave the hospital). He insisted, he wouldn’t be able to enjoy himself if he went and left me home. It was key for his enjoyment that I be present. I wasn’t sure why at the time. I knew what would happen if I insisted on staying home. He would pout the whole night, and whine about how he couldn’t have any fun because he was busy being the BEST GUY EVER and tolerating my preferences. It would be less trouble I thought, to tolerate Greg for a few hours. Get some ground made up with X, let him know his needs were important to me. He claimed constantly that no one worried about his needs, they just expected him to fill theirs. He had been distant, and cruel. He was being nice to me right then, and I didn’t want it to change. I had felt so alone in the hospital, so ill for so long, I just wanted to be happy with my boyfriend for the time being. So.. off we went to Gregory’s house.
It was a long drive, about 45 minutes. We listened to music and talked about nothing, it was nice. As we were winding the long dirt road that was Greg’s driveway X casually tossed out: “Hey, just so you know, Greg is really happy about the election. Turns out he’s a huge Trump guy.” JUST F#$*ING GREAT
I generally prefer to avoid conflict. Its one of my chief character traits/flaws, and X was in no way ignorant of how stressful I would find this situation. I had brought along a book, and told him I planned to keep to myself and read my book. I wasn’t interested in engaging with Greg this way. But it was too late to back out, the drive was too long and I’d come in X’s car. I was stuck, and he knew it.
Greg started in on me right away. He basically ignored X and focused all his efforts on taunting the SJW snowflake millennial. I tried to ignore his baiting, and be civil, but indicate that I preferred to read my book, not talk about politics. He ignored this and instead grilled my awareness of Alt-right talking points against the Clintons. This went on for hours. I kept my cool for a long time. I tried to argue with facts, and not be diverted by his many attempts to bait me.
In order to gain some brief respite I wound up volunteering to cook dinner for everyone, since Greg’s browbeaten girlfriend couldn’t seem to figure out what would make ‘the men’ happy. She was so relieved when I offered; she scampered off to watch true c rime while I made Sloppy Joes, mac’n cheese, and a Caesar Salad. Greg showed up once the plates hit the table, tucked in and started straight back on politics.
I admit, I knew when I said that Trump’s history as a chauvinist and alleged Rapist made him unfit for office that I would strike a nerve. Turns out it was Greg’s Hulk Button. He literally turned purple defending Trump(?)’s relationships with women. It was at this point that true insults, no longer disguised thinly as jokes began to fly between Greg and I. X NEVER OPENED HIS MOUTH. He just Watched.
After a few moments of escalating screaming, I left Greg’s home and went outside to wait for X, so we could leave. X didn’t come out for almost half an hour. He told me later that he was trying to calm down Greg, he felt bad that I’d upset him.
As we drove off in silence, one question kept coming up in my mind, and finally I asked him: “Why did you want me to come? Didn’t you know this would happen?” “No!” he insisted “I just thought it would be funny, give you a chance to rip into a trump guy, right?” “You know I hate conflict in general, and arguing with stupid people in specific! How could you think this was ok?” I never got an adequate answer from him. He usually claims ignorance of the potential outcome. If that’s true, then he’s a lot less smart than he likes to assert. I spent the next few days resting at home, doing my best to avoid him, and the inevitable conflict that would follow.
INCIDENT: Spring 2017 Another incident with a friend of X’s. His name is Ted. Ted comes over to our house one day and starts playing the Libertarians favorite game: bait the libtard (his words)
I’m trying to be a good hostess, fetching drinks and politely listening to this man explain away societies problems based on his experiences as a ‘self made career military man’. Dude fixes Blackhawk helicopters. He’s in his sixties, I think. X sat there, while Ted talked about the wage gap being a figment of the liberal imagination. Women and men get paid the same for the same work, period. This was his stance, and X replies “Yeah, I don’t know any female Dr’s who make less than me, if they work as hard.”
I was stunned. Not only was this a**hole in my house spouting chauvanist BS--Ugh, sorry, this still steams me up..—X was agreeing with him, supporting his arguments. I was so angry, but felt outnumbered so I opted to retreat. I left the house and went for a cigarette. When I came back Ted was getting on his motorcycle and left. He was so shaken by the whole interaction he wrecked a few miles away, luckily sustaining only minor injuries. I was blamed for this by X. But we didn’t know that Yet.
We began to argue heatedly, I was angry and hurt that he had sided with Ted on this Factually documented issue in our society. When I brought this up, he insisted he was as Woke as Woke Gets, and if I really loved him I would know that of course he supports women’s rights, black rights, trans rights, gay rights.. until one of his friends disagrees. Then his views magically shift to line up with all these right wing conservative libertarian guys, which seemed to compromise about 60% of his friend group.
The fight got more heated. I tried to leave, to cool off, and X insisted I needed to stay, to work things out. We were in our bedroom, and he blocked my access to the door. I was overwrought and coming undone, I wanted nothing more in that moment than to get away from him. He grabs my arms above the elbows and wrestles me to the ground. I writhed, trying to get away. My left elbow was ground into the carpet repeatedly, and I have the scars of blotches on my arm 3 years later where they were skinned.
I was blamed for this. I was blamed for ‘ruining our date night’ because I had an issue with something totally unimportant. I’d over reacted. He convinced me that I had. I could only push so far before the knowledge that my ability to provide a home for my daughter hinged on this relationship working. No way could I afford a place on my own on one salary, let alone one fit to share with my then six year old. We went on our date night that night, a group dinner with many of his friends. He didn’t speak to me the whole evening, barely even on the ride home. That was how he acted after he got his way. To really hammer home that it wasn’t worth it for me to take any issue, with anything he said or did. I think that was the day I realized I had to leave him. It would take time, and I needed a plan.
EXODUS: I spent 2 months looking for a place to live, searching for new jobs, new options. In July I went to a protest on Monument Avenue in Richmond, and there I ran into some old friends, people I hadn’t hung out with since I met X. For the first time in a long time, I was social with someone other than HIS friends, or people at my work or school. I was a very busy person, always going. I’d spent 5 years getting more and more isolated. The floodgates opened, and I told them what was happening. They helped me coordinate, and find a place that I could move to inside of the week. I had a plan; my dad was even flying out to help me move. X still didn’t know.
This was something I struggled with a lot, I felt dishonest, which I suppose is accurate. I lied to him, told him everything was OK. I was withdrawn, and quiet, but mostly focused on not rocking the boat before I could spring my plan into action. I didn’t want to emotionally scar my daughter, so I prepared her, and her father agreed to keep her with him until I made the switch. X was relieved to have time without her around, he didn’t question it.
Just three days before my dad was going to fly in, I was sleeping in my daughter’s bed (for privacy and safety), and was awoken by X, screaming in my face. He’d opened up my phone and gone through my texts, found out what I was planning, and lost his freaking mind. He couldn’t believe that I’d lied to him about wanting to work on our relationship when I was planning to bounce. I told him it was because of this kind of reaction from him that I’d kept the secret. He was flabbergasted, I remember him saying that he –“can’t believe You would ever leave ME, you promised me you’d NEVER leave!”
That really took me aback. I felt a well of guilt, because I HAD promised him that. Then I remembered, I made that promise before he violently raped me. Then I felt less guilt. I told him in no uncertain terms that I was done with him, and he was the reason why. That he’s the demon that haunts my dreams now. When I left following this confrontation, he was throwing my stuff after me, telling me that my life would fall apart without him.
I really wanted him to be wrong. I wish he had been wrong. More than anything, I wish this were the end of the story.
SPIRALLING: For awhile things were ok, I was working multiple jobs, and was able to meet my expenses, and take care of my daughter. The place I was living was 90 min from God and Everywhere, but it was rent free, so that balanced a lot. Then, my health began to spiral. I was in and out of the ER multiple times, and my mental state was beginning to show cracks. Anxiety and depression were ruling my whole life, and I was a wreck. My physical health was what made it all go pear shaped though. I lost two jobs in one week, because of health related issues. I was Fainting, vomiting, etc. It makes you an unreliable employee, dontcha know? So, suddenly money was a serious problem, and the cracks in my mental state turned into the Grand FREAKING Canyon. Straight up, I had a mental breakdown. My best efforts had failed. X had been right. I was a failure. My daughter deserved better than me. At this time she started staying more with her father, and I would visit her there. I didn’t feel capable anymore, I was broken.
Then, there was this day, where my friend had kindly offered to let me stay at his house while I tried to snap myself out of it. I climbed into the shower.. and I didn’t leave it for almost three days. I just cried. Constantly.
In a moment of weakness, I reached out to X, whom I had totally cut off contact with several months before. He was doing great! He’d started going to therapy, and meditating every day. Really ‘worked’ on himself. He seemed like a totally different man than the one I’d left the year before. I began to wonder if I’d made a mistake.
X spent a lot of time with me for the next few weeks, trying to help me put myself back together. I was very near the danger zone… mentally speaking, and I felt a lot of gratitude to him for helping me out of my spiral.
Now, lets fast forward to August 2019. I had moved from my home on the east coast out to AZ to be closer to my dad. My daughter is currently living overseas with her father (who has been supportive throughout this process) and thriving. I am somehow able to better serve her as her mother from a distance, we talk every day, discuss life and difficulties. Its not ideal, but in the times of Covid, I’m just glad that she’s somewhere safe.
Now, this was right after she’d left the country, and the situation was still fresh. I was lonely, and sad. I missed my daughter. I’d had her with me every single day for a year, and suddenly, poof, she’s gone.
X calls me, and says he has plans to go to Dragon Con in Atlanta, just like he and I had done together the last four years. He wants me to go with him. Offers to buy my ticket and take care of the plane, he insisted he wouldn’t have any fun there if I wasn’t with him. I decided that it would be a good distraction, which I needed at that point. I thought, after a full year of weekly therapy and daily meditation and self reflection, as well as many discussions with me regarding the abuse he committed against me while we were together. He seemed to truly have internalized what I’d told him, and done the work to address his behaviors. I felt safe to go. Surely, things would be different now. I feel like such an idiot.
At first, things were mostly ok. We walked around the booths, saw famous people, smoked, and hung out with people that we’d met there over the years. One such man was Justin. I’d only met him one other year, and hadn’t spent much time around him before this. However, this time, he was in the room next door to ours, so the run ins and hang outs were more frequent. He, X and I spent most of the weekend together going around the Con. Saturday night, while riding up the Marriott elevator to our rooms, Justin casually mentioned that if we ever wanted a partner for a 3 way, he would be down.
At first I thought he was joking, and then X looked at me. Grinned and winked. This wouldn’t be a first for us, he has a voyeurism thing, and I have an ‘I like good sex’ thing. We chatted about it briefly before realizing we were all very much down for this. We spent the entire next day and a good chunk of the night in bed. Not gonna go into detail there, sorry.
Ok, I do have to go into some detail, very minor. While the three of us had been mutually involved all day, it turned out that the pairing that ended the session was Justin and I. By the end of it I was so sore, unless you have lady parts I don’t know how to convey how tender and raw my insides felt after this MARATHON session of really lovely sex. Some of it was even with X.
Justin packs up to leave in the morning, the con is over, and the mass exodus of nerds has begun. Our hotel checkout isn’t until the afternoon, X plans to drop me off at the airport before beginning his drive home. Once Justin goes, X tells me that before I leave, he wants us to have sex one more time. I told him I was in too much pain, No. I was pretty firm on that point. He told me that after paying for everything, including my plane home, he wanted to be the last penis inside me, and since it was so important to his emotional state he contended that I should just lay back and think of England. So, that’s exactly what happened. It was excruciating. I thought about it the entire plane ride home. My dad was so mad that I had gone on the trip with X in the first place that he and his wife stopped talking to me when I came back. I mean, they were right. I couldn’t tell them what had happened. It’s my own fault, right? My own shitty judgment.
He didn’t really change. His feelings (a.k.a: dick) were more important than my physical pain.
I don’t know why I didn’t cut him off right then.
We were in contact fairly frequently over the last year. We are not together, but X tries to maintain that connection with me. Saying I’m free to date who I want, obviously, but wait, who are you going out with? Will there be men there? Do they have PENISES??? I’m exaggerating, ok. Let’s just say he was hyper aware of the potential of me meeting someone else. He would talk about the singularness of our love, how nothing else could compare. He constantly brought up the idea that we would end up together, once our kids were grown and his parents die he’s pretty sure that’s all our relationship issues dealt with. I usually responded tepidly. I told him I didn’t think that was likely, that we broke up for damn good reasons. None of that ever stuck to his Teflon brain. I felt like I still needed him. I don’t really get why. Part of it is defiantly medical. I’ve relied on his help for way too long. In a world with unreliable insurance coverage knowing a Dr can save you a pretty penny. But I realized, recently, that knowing him is a stone around my neck. I’ve gone no contact. I hope it’s for the last time.
Unless there is some way for me to force him to face some accountability for this shit, I never want to speak to him again. I thought he’d changed, I thought maybe I’d helped make him a better man. I didn’t, I just made him a better manipulator.
ISMS: X- “The Safest place for you is Right next to Me.” “You know, you take this for granted, but I’m in this because I LOVE you, not because I’m worried about where I’m gonna live, or if I can keep custody of my kids! I’m in this because I Value You.” “WHAT?!-That was Rape??” “There’s nothing stopping you, you just need to try harder (subtext: Be More Like Me)
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2020.10.22 05:59 synnrman Wicked Wednesday for October 28th, 2020: "You Put a Spell on Me"

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You Put a Spell on Me

It's one magical evening, though not necessarily in the way one might hope. Witchcraft is afoot and these ladies are about to discover it's not all fun and games. First, some sorority sisters get a magical makeover, but it turns them into vicious demon out to devour some frat boys. Next, a group of high school outcasts figure out a new way to get popular: spells! Finally, after getting kicked out of their community for religious reasons, a family takes residence in the outskirts of the woods. Unfortunately, they aren't alone.
The show begins at 8:00 PM CT in the PreRec Twitch chat.
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Nightmare Sisters (1987): Three geeky college girls who can't get a date, organize a séance and become sex starved vamps. Directed by David DeCoteau, starring Linnea Quigley, Brinke Stevens, Michelle Bauer, Timothy Kauffman, Mathew Phelps and C. Jay Cox.
The Craft (1996): A newcomer to a Catholic prep high school falls in with a trio of outcast teenage girls who practice witchcraft, and they all soon conjure up various spells and curses against those who anger them. Directed by Andrew Fleming, starring Robin Tunney, Fairuza Balk, Neve Campbell, Rachel True, Skeet Ulrich, Christine Taylor and Breckin Meyer.
The Witch (2015): A family in 1630s New England is torn apart by the forces of witchcraft, black magic, and possession. Directed by Robert Eggers, starring Anya Taylor-Joy, Ralph Ineson, Kate Dickie, Harvey Scrimshaw and Ellie Grainger.
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2020.10.22 04:44 jw_mentions /r/AskReddit - "Jehovah's witnesses, how's it going knowing that everyone is at home but you can't visit them?"

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Can you smoke weed as a JW?
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I use to have an old man in his 80s come around every week and talk to me about Jehovah's Witness here in Australia. He had a carer come along and everything.
I'm in no way religious and wasn't interested in join but I enjoyed talking to him about it. He had some pretty modern/futuristic views on it as well.
We were doing that once a week for a couple of months, then he just stopped coming one week. I really hope I was able to bring him some enjoyment and connection in them months. I sure got a lot out of it.
I think more people need to hear them out, most just want some human connection and to share what they love.
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Author posifour11
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:37:13 UTC 2020
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Not a JW, but they've been more than cordial.
I went to my great aunt's funeral and it wasn't pushed on us. The funeral was graveside and there was a great prayer.
They said there would be a different one for the JW folks.
To answer the question- they send letters.
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Author Seyda0
Posted On Thu Oct 22 02:03:05 UTC 2020
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Man that's crazy, good for them. What if tho, like maybe the Australian government for example created, I dunno a legal entity called the Australian Royal Comission to check into rampage unreported child sexual abuse by the JW church? And then that ARC found over 1000 cases of child sex abuse without a single reported case to the authorities? Sure would be amazing ifJWs made some changes to their rules. Maybe one day...
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Author merlin401
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:06:31 UTC 2020
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For all their faults I think it’s fair to giveJWs props. As soon as shit hit the fan in March they cancelled all their conventions, suspended in person church service indefinitely (corrently at least through February) and stopped all in person witnessing work indefinitely. Pandemic-wise, they did their part
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Author sumthinsticky
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:30:29 UTC 2020
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I recently sold my house and I got a text from the buyer saying I received a piece of mail. It wasn’t incredibly inconvenient, but I drove out of my way to go get it. It was a legit handwritten letter from a Jehovah’s Witness apologizing for not visiting in person. 🤦‍♂️
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Author Bisexualdw
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:25:03 UTC 2020
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Used to be a JW and this made me cackle. But they usually find a way. All the brochures left on your door.
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Author Clokkers
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:24:14 UTC 2020
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My grandparents areJWs in England, they dress up all fancy and zoom call all their friends for mini meetings. I actually think it’s quite nice that they’ve learnt how to use zoom all together considering the average age there is 70
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Author youngseahag
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:10:57 UTC 2020
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I literally got a letter today in the mail from a JW. it was handwritten and an entire page long
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Author shadesgonewild
Posted On Thu Oct 22 00:48:05 UTC 2020
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Not a JW, I got a letter in the mail from a local JW I’ve never been to, seen, or even knew existed until I looked up the letter’s address. I’d say they are just fine using the local Yellow Pages
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Author Astramancer_
Posted On Thu Oct 22 00:28:21 UTC 2020
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Because that doesn't fulfill the purpose of witnessing.
The point isn't to convert people -- that's just a bonus if it happens.
The point is to reinforce the idea that the world is a hostile place and the only place of safety and acceptance is the church. They spend hours getting doors slammed in their face and being told to fuck off, and after all that negativity they come back to their JW congregation and commiserate at how awful nonJW's are.
Dropping off leaflets doesn't increase the Otherness of non-JW's and increase the reliance on the group the same way.
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Author Routine_Left
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:31:00 UTC 2020
Score 4 as of Thu Oct 22 14:48:58 UTC 2020
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JW allow alcohol consumption in moderation.
Oh, I can see how it works.
See, one beer per man is moderation, ok? But if I drink one beer I become a new man. This man deserves a beer too, don't you think? But if this man drinks a beer he becomes a new man. Then that man deserves a beer, after all it's in moderation, just one beer.
All the way until the man left is no longer a JW.
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Author bonobomaster
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:02:41 UTC 2020
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Ahm, we are talking about Jehovah's Witnesses not about the Amish
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Author Cinno1826
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:23:06 UTC 2020
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I have a co-worker that's a jehovas Witness and she wrote a bunch of letters personalized to most of the other workers here. It was basically the same stuff they would say at your door, but it was kind of nice because she added personal touches since she actually knows us.
I'd kind of hate having someone come to my door and preach to me while I stood there awkwardly, but a personalized letter I could read alone on my own time wasn't so bad.
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Author DorothyZbornakAttack
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:35:36 UTC 2020
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I work at a funeral home, we regularly get letters from Jehovah’s Witnesses with pamphlets about death. We got more during Covid. The really gross thing they do is they’ll browse the obituaries on our website & then write letters to the families of people who have died and try to convert them. I think it’s really unethical to try to convert someone to your religion when they’re at a low point in their life. They’re purposely targeting people who are vulnerable.
Edited for clarity: they’ll mail the letters to families to us. We mail cards etc. that people send to families if they missed a visitation, but we’re not passing on religious literature.
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Author withlovesparrow
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:17:04 UTC 2020
Score 116 as of Thu Oct 22 14:49:00 UTC 2020
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I think I'm just now realizing why the nice JW lady doesn't come to my house anymore. I had a minute so I humored her for a chat. She asked me if I knew why they were calledJWs and I gave the right answer. Dated a barely believing JW in high school, I know some shit.
I have a Buddha by my front door and she asked about it. I told her I liked the morals and beliefs if Buddhism and other religions but never felt particularly religious. Just being a good person because its the right thing and not because a god tells you to is more my jam. It was over all really nice and polite and I enjoyed talking to her.
But she never came back. None of them have. I dont even get a leaflet. All because I was nice.
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Author martianvirus
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:31:15 UTC 2020
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I actually got a text from a JW back when the lockdowns started. No idea how they got my number...
edit no I remembered wrong, it was actually a voicemail
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Author thetexangypsy
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:17:37 UTC 2020
Score 4 as of Thu Oct 22 14:49:00 UTC 2020
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I've become theJW's pet project in my neighborhood.
They still come by.
I think I'm on my 3rd set of missionaries now.
I'll give it to them, they're persistent.
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Author CuratorOfYourDreams
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:25:41 UTC 2020
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Cue exjw
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Author SmedusaZ
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:16:18 UTC 2020
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Nah, I don’t mind it at all. I miss going door to door with my friends and having productive conversations with people.
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Author herculeesjr
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:20:10 UTC 2020
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I have a JW friend, and he gets high on special occasions. Not too often but I'd say the opinion could vary from person to person. I'm like... a JW in training so I don't count. Lol
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Author missionman77
Posted On Thu Oct 22 00:57:02 UTC 2020
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Ironically I got a hand written letter in the mail from a Jehovahs Witness yesterday that said they wish the could come by and if I was open to discussing my faith to call them.
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Author AshamedMixture1
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:07:24 UTC 2020
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is Reddit allowed forJWs?
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Author capn_gingerbeard
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:19:47 UTC 2020
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Haha totally did this today for a meeting (not a JW just working from home)
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Author jxwtf585
Posted On Thu Oct 22 00:38:45 UTC 2020
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I'm a cable guy and had a service call at a JW home. Legit this is what they do. The gentleman was dressed from waist up for church and from waist down for cheeto eating TV time.
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Author LiteBriteJorge
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:12:29 UTC 2020
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My family has received a JW letter. Honestly it was very thoughtful and even if the ideology isn't shared, the message was well received.
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Author nezbe5
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:00:24 UTC 2020
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My mother once spent a summer reading the entire Bible for the first time. Because no way thoseJWs were going to know more than her on their next visit. She is a bit stubborn.
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Author astronaut_ratties
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:28:26 UTC 2020
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Have you joined exjw?
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Author yoginiph
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:19:05 UTC 2020
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Don’t think so. My mum is a JW as well. Doing that will appear as a form of disrespect to Jehovah. They still conduct their church services via zoom. They still do bible study through online calls.
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Author Gobistro00
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:20:41 UTC 2020
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I think the preferred term is jdubs 😅
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Author that_person420
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:27:03 UTC 2020
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jdub here, can confirm
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Author Bloodhand671
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:29:31 UTC 2020
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I would get calls from a JW guy in my area. He was very cordial and nice but I asked him to stop calling since I was happy with my chosen faith.
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Author ClothDiaperAddicts
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:17:42 UTC 2020
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Legit. Once a month, we get a letter from the localJWs.
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Author toad__warrior
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:30:12 UTC 2020
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Not a JW, but I have gotten calls from them. I do not think the call was targeted, but they left a nice VM about reaching out during these troubling times.
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Author Sammygirl2780
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:24:19 UTC 2020
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Jdubs? I have never heard this term before. My bad 😀
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Author hawkwolfe
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:21:43 UTC 2020
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TheJWs sent me a letter, but the Baptists just came by my door without masks. Waiting for the other denominations to make their moves, but the ranking is clear so far.
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2020.10.21 17:15 romancebookmods Books written by our own LK author

We are allowing regular contributor authors one post each to promote their books. If you think you might qualify and are interested, please contact the mods. (Whether you are a regular contributor or not will be decided without bias based on several specific factors.)
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Hi friends! LK here. I've been publishing romance as Lara Kinsey since March 2020, and I have two novellas and four shorts out right now, as well as a few audiobooks and translations. I'm currently working on a third novella in the Chances Limited series, and a standalone full-length novel set in the 1920s with autistic heroines.
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Hammer & Tongs (also available in Spanish and Italian)
Isaiah's empire takes tight control to keep Chance Brothers Limited from slipping backwards into petty crime. But with Brighid behind him, anything is possible.
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Elizabeth is sweet, professionally. She's next in line to run Cadwell's chocolate shop, and she won't let anyone mess it up, especially not some broad-shouldered brawler with a fearsome reputation. Can Sid convince Elizabeth he's worth the trouble?
Elizabeth has chronic pelvic pain, which means she has very specific needs in the bedroom. Luckily, Sidney is happy to oblige. My softest hero yet! This was very personal to me, and 1 in 4 people with vaginas experience painful sex at some point in their lives. Plus sized heroine, bisexual hero, 1930s.
The audiobook was released yesterday. Audio releases are somewhat unusual for a new self-published author, but I'm deeply committed to accessibility. And the Birmingham accent on our narrator is totally swoon-worthy. To celebrate, the eBook is on sale.
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Y'all are the first to hear about my upcoming book in the series! Grace Chance gets her own happily ever after, building a manufacturing empire with Osbourne (an engineer with a criminal past) by her side. Grumpy-sunshine with a lady billionaire. It's slated for next spring.
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Summer love blooms hot between a sweet-talking gardener and a spinster headmistress in this steamy lesbian love story. On the cusp of the 20th century, France is where libertines indulge poetic desires. Dorothea has fled the structure of dreary old England for a place in the sun.
She's opening a school for elegant young ladies, but it's an experienced lady gardener who has caught her eye. Madame Laurent works with her hands, but it's her words that cultivate Dorothea's fallow heart.
A butch lady gardener! A bluestocking headmistress! Found family! This is lovely because it's set where I live now, and I think my love for the French countryside comes through. At 36 and 46, the heroines are slightly older than most MCs. Blooming in the Sun is the sequel, and it's available for free to my newsletter subscribers.
Worth the Wait is a trope-tastic short story. Only one bed, new adult, virgin heroine. This is what started me on the French Victorian lesbian kick.
Nordic Daddy was my one attempt at first-person POV and contemporary. It's essentially a first date with a Swedish single dad, and you can get it for free here.
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2020.10.21 16:33 Epsilon_One In a few days time I a 23 year old man am coming out to my parents as straight, yes you read that right. AMA

Ok so this is gonna be a long one so here goes, bear with me.

I'm 23 years old. My parents make some of those crazy parents you see on TV look relaxed and easy going. One of many things they are extremely strict on is dating. There should be no sex or sexual contact or sexual thoughts period. No pornography, no sex, no masturbation, no making out, nothing. Even a hug for too long can be seen as a problem in their eyes. As a result I have had to hide my sexuality. I do not openly display affection, attraction or desire towards anyone as a means to keep me from being punished. Being a teenager was hell, being in relationships has been even harder. I've never openly had a relationship. I've had a few secret ones both via the internet (most of which went about as well as you'd expect) and in person. (One of which ended horribly over a year ago).

For the past year I have been dating my friend of about four years who has been my greatest confidant and friend. She has been kind to me and understanding and most of all patient. There is just one problem...I live in the United States and she lives in England. Years ago I had retired the idea of online relationships as I thought (and still do to a degree) that they are stupid, a waste of time, impractical, and mostly fake one way or another but due to the fact there was a mutual desire for more and the fact that we have been consistent friends for over four years I decided to give it one more try.

Anyways I have the money to go see her despite the state of the world (money I earned myself through hard work) and I am going to stay with her for a month or two. I'm planning on telling my parents within the next week or so. I know their reaction will be hostile and I am preparing for the worst. This may be a bad move for me but it has to be done, I'm sick of living on my knees and enough is enough. It's time to grow up and live my life.
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2020.10.21 09:24 ALiddleBiddle No one knew Epstein’s secrets like Ghislaine Maxwell; how much did her testimony reveal? —Miami Herald

No one knew Epstein’s secrets like Ghislaine Maxwell; how much did her testimony reveal?
By Ben Wieder and Kevin G. Hall Miami Herald
(TNS) Oct 20, 2020 Updated 4 hrs ago
WASHINGTON — When a 418-page transcript of a deposition given by Ghislaine Maxwell is made public, perhaps by week’s end, it will mark a major milestone in a legal fight by the Miami Herald to reveal Jeffrey Epstein’s protected world by shining light in uncomfortable places.
Maxwell — the alleged madam to the late disgraced financier — sits in a New York jail awaiting a July trial date, denied bail on federal sex trafficking charges and considered a flight risk. She sought to block release of the lengthy April 2016 deposition, arguing it would hurt her defense in separate criminal proceedings.
Late Tuesday, her lawyers sought yet again to delay the deposition release, saying they were “still considering whether to seek any further emergency appellate remedies” or whether they would share any additional information to try to sway the judge.
After a flurry of court filings, the parties were told late Tuesday that the deposition would be released by 9 a.m. EDT Thursday morning in New York. The parties are expected to spend Wednesday fighting over what does or doesn’t get blacked out when released.
U.S. District Judge Loretta Preska ruled in favor of the Herald in July, determining that the public had a right to see many documents in Maxwell’s settled civil suit with Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre. Maxwell appealed, and on Monday the Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit agreed with Preska.
Speaking before the appeals court, the Herald’s attorney, Christine Walz, a partner at Holland & Knight, argued that the documents shouldn’t have been kept from the public in the first place.
“The judicial documents at issue involve matters of the utmost public importance — accusations of sex trafficking of young girls for years at the hands of the wealthy and powerful, that have been kept secret for far too long,” she said.
Given the nature of the allegations that triggered the civil lawsuit, the deposition is likely to provide much greater detail about the scope of the alleged sex trafficking by Epstein and Maxwell, both in how Maxwell answered or did not.
The transcript’s release has generated buzz because of the wealthy and powerful men in Maxwell and Epstein’s orbit. President Donald J. Trump recently made headlines because rather than disavow Maxwell he remembered her fondly from his Palm Beach days and wished her well. Trump and others were in Epstein’s now-infamous black book of acquaintances.
Epstein and Maxwell were also close to former President Bill Clinton, who appeared more than two dozen times in flight manifests for Epstein’s jet, dubbed the Lolita Express.
Former Colombian President Andres Pastrana flew on the Lolita Express. Ex-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak visited Epstein’s New York mansion. Giuffre alleges she was pimped by Maxwell and Epstein to England’s Prince Andrew, former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and celebrity lawyer Alan Dershowitz. All three men deny that.
A photo showing Giuffre, Maxwell and the prince together — with Andrew’s arm around Giuffre’s bare midriff — has been widely published.
The Maxwell deposition is unlikely to deal directly with those figures, although they could appear in other documents to be released, such as depositions from others who gave sworn testimony and are asking that their names not be made public.
Epstein might still be alive and thriving if not for the Herald’s “Perversion of Justice” series in November 2018 that spotlighted the deal that allowed him to avoid federal prosecution. The U.S. attorney who inked the arrangement that allowed Epstein to only face lesser state charges was Alexander Acosta. He went on to be Trump’s labor secretary until resigning in July 2019, shortly after Epstein was arrested anew but on federal charges.
To say that there is a lot of expectation surrounding Maxwell’s deposition would be an understatement.
“The Epstein sex trafficking ring is a story of great public interest. Unfortunately, most of the evidence about it — its scope and scale, the hundreds of girls it exploited and abused, the support and protection it had from the rich and the powerful that permitted it to operate for decades, and the failure for years of the courts, prosecutors, and the media to address it — has been hidden behind the curtain of protective orders in two civil cases,” said David Boies, who is representing Epstein accuser Giuffre.
Protective orders are used in lawsuits to protect confidential information, but Boies and other lawyers accuse Maxwell of using such orders after the civil suit with Giuffre was settled in 2017 to hide evidence of crimes.
Boies has worked closely on the case with Sigrid McCawley, a Florida-based partner at his firm.
“Starting in the beginning of 2015, Sigrid and I have probably spent more time on this than anything else we’ve been doing,” Boies said.
Lawyers representing the Herald have asked courts to err on the side of public access, given the protections afforded to Epstein and his wealthy, powerful friends.
“For two years, we pursued this lawsuit because we believed that the secrecy surrounding Jeffrey Epstein and his enablers — dating back to his original deal with U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta — made a mockery of justice. We hope in the future that judges and prosecutors will worry less about protecting wealthy abusers and focus more on those hurt by their egregious behavior,” said Aminda Marques Gonzalez, executive editor of the Herald.
The Herald’s attempts to unseal documents from the civil suit took on greater significance after Maxwell was arrested July 2 at a 156-acre estate in New Hampshire and charged with four counts of sexual trafficking of a minor and two counts of perjury. The latter charges were related to statements she made in the April 2016 deposition.
Maxwell’s team has argued that the deposition was released to federal prosecutors illegally — which federal prosecutors have disputed — and that its public unsealing would jeopardize her chance at a fair trial by potentially tainting future jurors.
Former federal prosecutor David Weinstein doesn’t believe that argument has much merit.
“Quite frankly, there is already a large number of members of the potential jury pool who have pre-judged Maxwell’s guilt — or perhaps her innocence,” he said. “The question for the lawyers during the eventual jury selection process will be can those members of the potential jury pool put aside those notions and decide the case on the facts they see and hear presented in the courtroom.”
Weinstein compared Maxwell’s case to criminal cases against other high-profile people, such as Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman, comedian Bill Cosby or Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein, who have been able to have fair trials in spite of intense media coverage.
And he said he thinks the stakes involving this latest unsealing are actually lower now than when the Herald first successfully sought to unseal Epstein documents in April 2018.
“The stakes were a lot higher when you first went to unseal things because so much was unknown,” he said. “Before she was indicted, what was known about what she did with Epstein was sealed in the proceedings.”
The fight over unsealing Maxwell’s deposition became further entwined with Maxwell’s criminal case when she sought permission to use “critical new material” turned over to her lawyers in the criminal case to bolster her argument for blocking the unsealing of her deposition in the civil case.
The judge in her criminal case, U.S. District Judge Alison Nathan, rejected Maxwell’s plea to use the new material in efforts to prevent the release of the deposition from the settled civil suit. Maxwell appealed Nathan’s decision last month and the appellate court rejected it Monday.
In a two-page order Tuesday, Preska put the parties on notice that she intends to move quickly to release the documents.
“In order to hasten the unsealing process and to avoid any last-minute disputes, the Court advises the parties that the necessary redactions are intended to be as limited in scope as is workable,” the order said, warning the parties that she had little appetite for arguing over whose names are blacked out.
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(c)2020 Miami Herald
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2020.10.21 04:55 SCHNOOPY007 No one knew Epstein’s dark secrets like Ghislaine Maxwell. How much did her testimony reveal?

When a 418-page transcript of a deposition given by Ghislaine Maxwell is made public, perhaps by week’s end, it’ll mark a major milestone in a legal fight by the Miami Herald to reveal Jeffrey Epstein’s protected world by shining light in uncomfortable places.
Maxwell — the alleged madam to the late disgraced financier — sits in a New York jail awaiting a July trial date, denied bail on federal sex trafficking charges and considered a flight risk. She sought to block release of the lengthy April 2016 deposition, arguing it would hurt her defense in separate criminal proceedings.
Late Tuesday, her lawyers sought yet again to delay the deposition release, saying they were “still considering whether to seek any further emergency appellate remedies” or whether they would share any additional information to try to sway the judge.
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After a flurry of court filings, the parties were told late Tuesday that the deposition would be released by 9 a.m. Thursday morning in New York. The parties are expected to spend Wednesday fighting over what does or doesn’t get blacked out when released.
U.S. District Judge Loretta Preska ruled in favor of the Herald in July, determining that the public had a right to see many documents in Maxwell’s settled civil suit with Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre. Maxwell appealed, and on Monday the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit agreed with Preska.
Speaking before the appeals court, the Herald’s attorney, Christine Walz, a partner at Holland & Knight, argued that the documents shouldn’t have been kept from the public in the first place.
“The judicial documents at issue involve matters of the utmost public importance — accusations of sex trafficking of young girls for years at the hands of the wealthy and powerful, that have been kept secret for far too long,” she said.
Given the nature of the allegations that triggered the civil lawsuit, the deposition is likely to provide much greater detail about the scope of the alleged sex trafficking by Epstein and Maxwell, both in how Maxwell answered or did not.
The transcript’s release has generated buzz because of the wealthy and powerful men in Maxwell and Epstein’s orbit. President Donald J. Trump recently made headlines because rather than disavow Maxwell he remembered her fondly from his Palm Beach days and wished her well. Trump and others were in Epstein’s now-infamous black book of acquaintances.
Former Colombian President Andres Pastrana flew on the Lolita Express. Ex-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak visited Epstein’s New York mansion. Giuffre alleges she was pimped by Maxwell and Epstein to England’s Prince Andrew, former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and celebrity lawyer Alan Dershowitz. All three men deny that.
A photo showing Giuffre, Maxwell and the prince together — with Andrew’s arm around Giuffre’s bare midriff — has been widely published.
The Maxwell deposition is unlikely to deal directly with those figures, although they could appear in other documents to be released, such as depositions from others who gave sworn testimony and are asking that their names not be made public.
Epstein might still be alive and thriving if not for the Herald’s Perversion of Justice series in November 2018 that spotlighted the deal that allowed him to avoid federal prosecution. The U.S. attorney who inked the arrangement that allowed Epstein to only face lesser state charges was Alexander Acosta. He went on to be Trump’s labor secretary until resigning in July 2019, shortly after Epstein was arrested anew but on federal charges.
To say that there is a lot of expectation surrounding Maxwell’s deposition would be an understatement.
“The Epstein sex trafficking ring is a story of great public interest. Unfortunately, most of the evidence about it — its scope and scale, the hundreds of girls it exploited and abused, the support and protection it had from the rich and the powerful that permitted it to operate for decades, and the failure for years of the courts, prosecutors, and the media to address it — has been hidden behind the curtain of protective orders in two civil cases,” said David Boies, who is representing Epstein accuser Giuffre.
Protective orders are used in lawsuits to protect confidential information, but Boies and other lawyers accuse Maxwell of using such orders after the civil suit with Giuffre was settled in 2017 to hide evidence of crimes.
Boies has worked closely on the case with Sigrid McCawley, a Florida-based partner at his firm.
“Starting in the beginning of 2015, Sigrid and I have probably spent more time on this than anything else we’ve been doing,” Boies said.
Lawyers representing the Herald have asked courts to err on the side of public access, given the protections afforded to Epstein and his wealthy, powerful friends.
“For two years, we pursued this lawsuit because we believed that the secrecy surrounding Jeffrey Epstein and his enablers — dating back to his original deal with U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta — made a mockery of justice. We hope in the future that judges and prosecutors will worry less about protecting wealthy abusers and focus more on those hurt by their egregious behavior,” said Aminda Marqués González, executive editor of the Herald.
The Herald attempts to unseal documents from the civil suit took on greater significance after Maxwell was arrested on July 2 at a 156-acre estate in New Hampshire and charged with four counts of sexual trafficking of a minor and two counts of perjury. The latter charges were related to statements she made in the April 2016 deposition.
Maxwell’s team has argued that the deposition was released to federal prosecutors illegally — which federal prosecutors have disputed — and that its public unsealing would jeopardize her chance at a fair trial by potentially tainting future jurors.
Former federal prosecutor David Weinstein doesn’t believe that argument has much merit.
“Quite frankly, there is already a large number of members of the potential jury pool who have pre-judged Maxwell’s guilt — or perhaps her innocence” — he said. “The question for the lawyers during the eventual jury selection process will be can those members of the potential jury pool put aside those notions and decide the case on the facts they see and hear presented in the courtroom.”
Weinstein compared Maxwell’s case to criminal cases against other high-profile people, such as Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman, comedian BIl Cosby or Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein, who have been able to have fair trials in spite of intense media coverage.
And he said he thinks the stakes involving this latest unsealing are actually lower now than when the Herald first successfully sought to unseal Epstein documents in April 2018.
“The stakes were a lot higher when you first went to unseal things because so much was unknown,” he said. “Before she was indicted, what was known about what she did with Epstein was sealed in the proceedings.”
The fight over unsealing Maxwell’s deposition became further entwined with Maxwell’s criminal case when she sought permission to use “critical new material” turned over to her lawyers in the criminal case to bolster her argument for blocking the unsealing of her deposition in the civil case.
The judge in her criminal case, U.S. District Judge Alison Nathan, rejected Maxwell’s plea to use the new material in efforts to prevent the release of the deposition from the settled civil suit. Maxwell appealed Nathan’s decision last month and the appellate court rejected it on Monday.
In a two-page order on Tuesday, Preska put the parties on notice that she intends to move quickly to release the documents.
“In order to hasten the unsealing process and to avoid any last-minute disputes, the Court advises the parties that the necessary redactions are intended to be as limited in scope as is workable,” the order said, warning the parties that she had little appetite for arguing over whose names are blacked out.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article246584448.html?ac_cid=DM306108&ac_bid=-1696737116
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2020.10.20 03:31 justanotheracount150 Don't tell people in videogames your plans for Holliday's, especially if you're a female.

I live in New England, and Salem is a huge tourist attraction up here. I used to go every year with my parents, my parents were christian, but my mom dabbled in wicca for fun. My dad would get upset about us seeing her books, but my mom raised as a southern baptist, never really defined herself by one religion, she always seemed to believe them all, even ancient religions, she was a big fan of Egyptian history. She was also a psychiatrist, and found every religion had a form of healing mentally which is why she studied many religions in the first place. Most of her documented work was about the fine line between healthly way of health through religion and creating harmful dillusion. She worked with trouble teens.
Every year we would go see this one phychic as my mom really liked her. She liked her ability to read people on a phycology level more so than magical. We would explore the historical parts of Salem for my dad who's interests have always been math and history, few degrees in engineering and math but one in history because he could. He would teach us the history during daylight hours and at night my mom would take us around to the creepy mystery and magical stuff.
This divide often left us with only my mom at night as my dad would sleep in the car to prepare for the hours long drive home. At the point this starts I was 15. I played online videogames, and just got into World of Warcraft, as a female I got a lot of weird attention. (Frame of reference I'm 30 now). It was the last year we'd visit Salem as my mom was getting sick, though I didn't know it yet. I told my guild I was going to Salem and one guy chimed in he lived near it and would love to meet me. I explained I was going to be with my parents and be weird if some guy I never met showed up, and thought nothing more.
I played with my two older brothers and they were in the same guild, neither of them said anything either. What I didn't know is this guy was actually Facebook friends with my brother, and I just joined facebook, as it was recently opened to high school students too. I didn't know but he knew what we looked like.
So the day arrived, we packed up for day trip to Salem, we were excited as usual as both my parents always took extra care to make the trip exciting. And my brother brought his new girlfriend, and other brother brought his best friend I had a huge crush on. We didn't get to do much as a family as my brothers were in college and my parents worked a lot. Non of us knew the day would be much scarier than jump scares and spooky stories.
We did our usual routine there, showed off our costume, got tasty food from venders and just having a good time. My mom at the time was taking our younger brother who was 9 to do the kiddie stuff so I wondered off with my brothers. For those who've never been to Salem it's mostly the down town and turned into a giant witchy fair basically but with historical building instead of barns. My parents gave us 100$ each to go shopping and have fun, my oldest brother bought beer and let me try it but it was gross lol so I got some apple cider. My dad had gone to the car and my brother was commenting on all the hot girls with his friend, and my other brother distracted with his new girlfriend. I had no friends in high school so I just sat alone on a rock wall near by as they chatted and played around.
I decided to go off and get a snack and these fake tattoo art near by. My brothers girlfriend said she join me soon and stay at the artist if I finish early (leave it to a girl to be maternal I guess lol). As I ate my apple fritter in line someone tapped me on the shoulder, I immediately thinking it was my brother and his girlfriend turned around to find a 20 something year old, nerdy obese guy with curly long greasey hair standing over a foot taller than me. He was wearing a Warcraft II shirt and he greeted me and asked me if I played WoW.
I assumed he was looking at my backpack which I drew all over, and it had World of Warcraft written on it. I always carried my backpack with my laptop and full of sketching supplies as I get bored easily. (Ps laptop I had back then was 2000$ hp and heavy as hell)
He explained he played too, and was excited to meet a girl who played WoW. Going to a small school myself the only people I knew who played WoW were my brothers, their friends and their friends younger brothers, who weren't my friends. Despite not having friends, I was a friendly extrovert (I lost popularity due to a fall out with friends where I was made out to be bad person, long story) so I greeted him kindly as I would anyone. Honestly I just got the vibe he was looking for a friend, currently lost all my friends (in a small school of 200 people total for all highschool, it's easy to have your whole grade of 54 people against you, it was a prep school too so clicks were absolutely toxic). I felt sympathy for him as it sucked not having friends, and I was absolutely more vunable as result of losing all my friends and having and entire school hate me.
So we chatted, I didn't even pick up creepy vibes until he mentioned my brothers names. It seemed like a mistake as he tried to cover it up after. Only then I started feeling nervous and it showed. Stupid me just kept nodding to his questions but I had chills, too much to answer anymore verbally. As it was my turn to get a fake tattoo, the lady doing my tattoo obviously saw my discomfort and whispered if I was ok. I didn't want to say anything so I simply shrugged.
Immediately this guy goes off, asking what she wispered to me. A huge red flag went off, as he became possessive of me, saying stuff like I should talk about people behind their backs and it is rude. He said something along the lines of me being a tease and stormed off after bike cops started coming over to see why this guy was yelling.
Now wouldn't that be a fine ending? I wish...
The cops asked who he was, I told them I didn't know him. They asked me my age and name ect, and the lady quickly finished up my tattoo and rejected my payment as I was swifty taken away by police to a tent they had set up. There I called my mom who rushed over like the end of the world happened. I got scolded of all things and my brothers were about to get their butts handed to them on a platter. She was told by the female officer that a man had been harassing me, and it was lucky they showed up (FYI cops are in plenty around Salem especially in October)
About 30 minutes had passed by the time I met up with my mom and creepy guy stormed off. She frantically called my brothers but neither picked up. My mom was fuming so I ran over and bought her apple cider (family thing) and seemed to cool her off a bit while we looked for my brothers.
So after another 30+ minutes she sees my brother and his girlfriend frantically looking for me around the tattoo booth I was originally at. Anndddd off my mom went, left behind hold my baby brothers hand. Least the confused look on his face made me smile.
My mom is overly protective of me as we lost my little sister 11 years before this due to choking. She was a baby and choked while no one was looking. So she would get extra mad on my account, going as far to get a teacher (rightfully) fired for keeping me in class during an asthma attack from an idiot spraying perfume in my face. (Another teacher over heard and pulled me out of class). But not without embarrassing me by screaming at her during school hours.
So here my mom screening at my brother and his girlfriend for being "wreckless". My moms worst nightmare is kidnapping, prob as are most parents. It was quite the scene honestly, but I tried to focus on my baby brother and make him laugh instead. He was everything to me those days anyways, now he's a pretty rude and mean but different events transpired to turn him from sweet kid to mean adult.
I didn't think about where my other brother went till the drama unfolding I guess lured him and his friend to my mom. But as he was walking to my mom to seemingly break up the fight (he was always the calm one) I saw creepy WoW guy in tow with him and his friend... I simply did what every dumb sheltered girl does...I froze. My brother calmed my mom down and eventually told my mom the "creepy man" was his friend from videogames, and was just making sure I was safe since I was seemingly alone.
Durring all this time, I guess he found my brother and spun the story to being a white knight though at the time I was simply clueless to that level of manipulation... My mom turned around to ... Thank him and said sorry for the misunderstanding. They all talked for what seemed like forever but eventually My baby brother pulled me out of my frozen state by needing to pee.
I took him to the bathroom after telling my mom, honestly I was just stunned and didn't think people would believe a 15 year old over a college student. But suddenly this creepy guy runs up to me and my baby brother saying he can take him to the boys room so he doesn't have to go to the icky girls room, as an apology for "catching me off guard, he was just worried about me"...
Idk why but I yelled at him simply " no, he's going with me". I think that's where cogs started moving for my mom, that this guy wasn't all there. My little brother insisted on going to the boys room now though but thankfully my oldest brother stepped in to take him...but creepy wow guy followed in saying he had to go pee anyways, that's all.
I think my mom picked up on my discomfort after this and asked if I wanted to join my dad in the car. Honestly I wanted to but I also really wanted to see a certain tent we passed by before and we still didn't see my mom's phychic yet. So we gathered back up as a family and creepy guy tagged along to see a few more things and wrap the day up with my mom's phychic. In one store I saw a cool dragon statue that was two dragons in a heart shape written on it "eternal love" but it was 200+$ and didn't really go with my pink room with cat figurines and real cats everywhere. I simply thought it was cool.
Creepy guy kept asking me small questions about my school every so often and WoW. But the one that stuck out to me that only my brothers friend overhead was if I liked anyone at school or had a boyfriend yet. My brothers friend actually was a senior at my school, my brother a freshman in college. He chimed in saying "idk but she's going to prom with me" (we actually ended up going to prom together long after this as friends under strange series of events, but at the time we never talked nor had any plans to go to prom together)
I think a light bulb turned on for him and saw that this guy was creeping on me. At this point we knew his age and he was 27 in community college (no judgement for those going to community college or older in college) but was a red flag as he bragged how he's was wealthy, how he turned down Yale and was going to graduate top of his college and so on. And my brothers friend was very uncomfortable with a 27 year old asking a 15 year old about her love life. (My brothers friend was 17)
But being dumb teens we never made a point to tell my mom or my brothers. We just bottled it up I guess. (I won't lie though, I crushed harder on him after this)
We got done with the phychic and we headed back to the car to my dad as Mr WoW creep tagged along. By the time we reached the car my mom had tried to get him to say bye a few times but he insisted he parked the same way as us... It should of been a red flag but we were all tired from walking all day. At the car he gave me that 200$ statue, I never saw him buy it, I think he stole it truthfully. My mom kinda just said it was nice of him and he didn't have to. But I could tell she thought it was weird.
Eventually we make it to the car and he insisted on "meeting the daddy of such a wonderful family". Now that gave us all a chill down our backs. My dad stands at 6ft 9inches and by no means someone you mess with. He did college football for two years till chiche injury took him out, he limps a lot more now that he's in his late 50s due to it. My mom and I are only 5ft 2, so it's quite a difference considering only 18 year old brother is the tallest brother standing 6ft compared to my dad, were all small lol. My dad one of those guys who always dress in a suit too, typical business man. Our family was well off due to both my parents being well paid professionals, idk why my dad always wore suits though even on holliday. But it definitely made him more intimidating to this nerd guy who before this projected confidence.
My dad immediately picked up on my discomfort as this guy mentioned my name and saying "oh and with (my name) you raised such a beautiful daughter too" after he was done saying how nice my dad's family was and bragging how his sons are great blah. Now my dad's not just an engineer for fighter jets but a business man and boss so he handles himself with decorum... usually (unless it's with his friends and they're joking around).
My father responded to him sternly, probably make most people freeze, because he has a really deep authority voice (FYI sucks when you're his kid cuz that voice is truely scary when you're in trouble). That same voice he uses when we've done something wrong he projected on this guy saying "if you would please back away, I'd like to take OUR family home" pointing at my mom. My dad was conservative but he gave full credit to anyone who worked hard regardless or sex religion, color or status, and was apparently already peeved by him constantly saying it was my dad's family. When my mom puts just as much effort and money into it. But mentioning me and creepy vibe was my dad's last straw.
He kept saying goodbye and he'd see us online.... Waving till we were out of sight.
So yeah still not the end... Sorry, in the car we joked a little how weird he was but quickly cheered up with food and tv.
If you've ever been to Salem or most any historical towns in New England, bunch of one way streets and maze to get anywhere in center of town. In this time a car eventually got behind us that took every turn we did. Everyone but my dad was too tired to notice, we were eating treats, and watching TV with VCdvd my dad installed in the back (honestly was pretty cool back then). While we watched scary cartoons recorded off cartoon network about an hour away from home I noticed my mom and dad whispering, and mumbling stuff. Usually this was my parents "sexy talk", incoherent but usually obvious on body language so at first I wrote it off. Few towns away from home though I noticed the body language as did my brothers wasn't "sexy talk" but stressed and worried. My mom mumbled something about police, and told my dad to pull off the highway to the rest stop.
The car went quite, and we pulled off, my mom got out and my younger older brother asked what was going on as we were probably 20min from home. Wasn't long till we all looked at what my dad was looking at intensely. Old beat up off white dirty car, and in the driver seat was creepy WoW guy and a kinda older druggy looking guy in the passenger seat. The WoW guy quickly leaned back to hide his face as we all turned to look at him, but it was definitely him. My brothers at this point are saying WTF, and trying to figure out stuff as my dad say there silently staring and pissed. My brothers girlfriend was obviously nervous and my other brothers friend was obviously unsettled but both were quite.
My oldest brother opened the car door and got out standing outside the car. My dad yelled at him to get back in and close the door. (I should mention the car we had was a large SUV that was very white that stood out so probably not hard to follow in the dark either).
Eventually cops pull in and WoW guy pulls out with another vehicle following him as the police pull up to my dad's car. Now in an action movie cop probably would of taken off and followed them but he just asked my dad questions which I found disappointing but I guess we had no proof or something. My mom soon joined and my dad got out of the car as they talked and eventually it was all over. We got home and I went straight to bed, my older brothers stayed up a bit talking but I was just worn out and my little brother was already asleep in the car in candy comma, so he was carried in like the rest of day trip luggage.
I usually stayed up till 1-2am on weekends gaming but I couldn't today, plus I had school project to finish the next day, so I fell asleep around 11pm. Around 2am my aim went off, I slept with my lap top on usually (not very environmental but I used it for music to sleep to). It immediately woke me up, anyone old enough to know that aim messenger sound knows it wakes you up. Now my AIM screen name was the same was my character in WoW so easy for ppl to add me.
The request was from someone I didn't recognize yet. I groggly accepted and rolled over but wasn't long before a few messages popped up that I half asleep read. Then my bones went cold, that actually happens when you get scared enough and I felt my body get cold soon after.
Long story short my dad parks the SUV outside as my brothers cars, mom's and dads 4 cars take up the garage.
This guy messaging me was WoW creep, obviously at this point. But he was saying how nice it was to meet me, and now that he knew where I lived he could drive down anytime and we could hang out. He continued on with paragraphs of how he thought I was cool and his sob story. Constantly bouncing between how he liked that such a beautiful girl played videogames to his life is a mess and how successful he is... Like flipping through personalities.
After like 5 + minutes my brain was awake enough to go get my brother. I first went to my oldest brothers room on the third floor but the sounds I heard in there were basically do not disturb...
So I went to my other older brothers room and him and his friend were asleep so I felt guilty. I didn't want to wake up my parents and did a bit I debated just waiting till tomorrow to say something. But I looked outside and chill ran down my back remembering he somehow knew where we lived. It was enough to wake up my brother with tears in my eyes. His friend woke up too as I was telling my brother the guy was messaging me on AIM.
They both take a moment and suddenly thier expression changed from tired to frantic as they both walked fast to my room. As they read though the messages they got to where it said he knew where we lived. My brother said he must of followed us somehow or saw the car outside. Both of them tried to think of ways to handle it, I guess feeling same way and not wanting to wake our parents or trying to be strong. Eventually they both concluded the cops needed to know, but didn't want to call the emergency line so my brother eventually went and woke up my mom. My dad's a heavy sleeper so at first he didn't come into my room. My mom read over the messages anddddd took my lap top away. (Actually took it away for two weeks after this too which sucked).
She went into her bedroom and woke my dad as they talked and my brother and his friend sat in my room trying to comfort me in their own ways. I honestly wasn't as scared as I should of been, mostly because I was way to focused on my crush at the time... We also had 10 cats (my mom rescued animals but in particular cats more, we also had a squirrel, two large dogs, and a owl, all rescues she did, except 5 of the cats were sane litter from a pregnant cat my mom took in) so I had 4 cats in my bed also full of threat reduction skills.
My mom I presume called the non emergency line and printed the messages. My brother and his friend eventually went back to his room and I feel asleep in a pile of purring cats on my bed, so wasn't difficult.
I woke up late, breakfast was done but I heated up leftovers. My alarm clock was my lap top so partly why. I guess my parents thought it best not to wake me as they were gone when I woke up. Infact as I realized everyone was gone. My house was big so was usual not to see anyone for hours... so I didn't even know I was home alone till they all came back. They all went to give statements as my neighbor watched the house and my little brother to make sure creep didn't show up.
From what I know my mom didn't want to involve me much as she was scared of the phycological effects or something of the sort. So many details I only learned from my brothers after my mom passed away. But I guess the searched for the guy but they never found him or the guy in the car with him. According to my dad it was two cars following us, the name he had on Facebook wasn't his real name either so all they had was his one profile picture, that actually wasn't him at all. So he wasn't caught and a patrol car would go down our street couple times a night.
Now it should be the end but again he continued to cause problems. He left the guild (a set group in WoW) shortly after and deleted his character week later. But back then you had no idea who a character was attached to, least these days WoW has account wide messenger so you know your friends list characters and can block accounts. But back then you could only block a character and someone could make a new one, and you'd never know they were the same person unless they said so.
Months later we got a new guild member and non of us ever thought to change our usernames or more. By this time my brothers friend had joined us in WoW and we'd kinda become friends after the drama at school settled down. (Long story short my friends cousin asked me out, we went on a date and he got really handsy (not rape but didn't take no for an answer and the guy working the theater saw and called police, then my mom got involved), my mom reported him to school and he was expelled, and I was then the target of lies and hate as he was really liked at school). Guess my brothers friend heard my side without the lies and decided to be my friend kinda since I didn't have any, more so he felt sorry for me though. But we chatted on WoW and it was obvious I had a huge crush on him, especially as my brothers would point it out in guild to embarrass me. But never did I think I would be manipulated through a crush like this. In short I was catfished into thinking my crush made a secret character to message me.
One day this character message me pretending to be my crush and lovestruck me believed it. For weeks we messaged flirty messages and I was over the moon happy. The person told me he couldn't show it in person as he was scared my brother would stop being his friend. I believed it, I fell into like an idiot... I thought my 15 year old self had a secret relationship with my crush. I was very very wrong.
One night he asked me to meet up with him in town after my parents went to sleep, I told him to pick me up but he didn't want to come near my house in fear my brother would see his car. So he told me to pick a place in town and give him the address. So I did, ... I did.. but luckily for me I had started reconnecting with a girl above my grade, not really friends but not enemy's. I offered to give her 50$ to drive me to place in town (I was one of the richest kids in town and her family lived in a 1 floor house near the highway and wasnt wealthy but not poor. But 50$ was a lot to her so she jumped at the chance despite not really being my friend.
He said he be there at 1am and should give me enough time to "walk there". I didn't even think to tell him I was catching a ride, it was pretty freaking cold so I didn't want to walk. He also said he had a Christmas gift for me and wanted to kiss me so I was over the moon not thinking anything through.
3 hours passed and my ride shows up, I give her the money and it seemed to make her friendly enough that the car ride wouldn't be too awkward. She asks why I need to go out this late in the cold to the park, I told her I was meeting someone from school in secret and I'd give her more money next week if she didn't tell anyone who. I had full awareness that she was involved in a lie or two about me so I was willing to buy her silence if it meant I didn't have to wait out in the cold.
So after less than 10 minute ride we get to the park and I wait for a text. I had newest phone back then and was pretty proud to show it off when the girl drive asked to see it. While we were talking about phones I got a text that said "I'm here".
We both look around and don't see anyone in the park or parking lot. I texted back I didn't see him or his car. I knew what my brothers friend drove as he drove me home a few times. He messaged to go to the other side of the park but again it was cold and I definitely didn't dress for the cold. I told him to come to (girls name) car cuz I wasn't dressed for the cold (with winky face).
He said he didn't want anyone seeing us together so I texted back I bought her silence already. After this slow texting cat and mouse game. It felt weird, but I couldn't understand why I felt off. He messaged me saying he had my gift and wanted to give it to me in private, so I borrowed her jacket and went to the middle of the park where there's always a lit building with bathrooms (they were locked at this hour).
But by standing under the light I lost my distance vision to see in the dark far away. I could see a figure on the other side and an outline of a car. He started walking towards me and my heart was racing with fear and excitement. I decided to walk towards him too, getting close enough not to see his face but the moonlight on his car. My brothers friend drove a black sports car, this car was light grey or white, and not even the same shape, was boxy unlike a sports car.
I stopped walking to stare at it parked on the side of the road trying to make out more details, when I saw a person in the cars driver side. As he got closer you could see his curly hair, my brothers friend did not have curly hair, nor was he puggy.
All I knew at this point the guy waving at me wasn't my brothers friend. I turned point and ran back to the girls car without even thinking, i had no idea what to think but my body just reacted. I got in her car as I slammed the door I caught a glimpse of the guy under the light standing there .... It was creepy WoW guy. He lost a good bit of weight but still not fit, but his hair and face were unique enough that I was pretty certain it was him.
My mind was rushing as the girl asked me what was going on. I couldn't even process it, I was more heartbroken than scared, typically Teenager. I eventually got out that I needed to go home now, and I'd explain as just stood there, then started walking back to his car.
She got out of there fast as I told her he followed us home couple months ago and left me creepy messages. She was obviously scared and checking behind her car religiously. After getting home she asked me what was going on she thought it was " brothers friend". I told her I didn't understand myself, but I was scared. In my mind about a million different reasons came up to make me believe that he hacked my brothers friend character, was less painful. Anything that meant his friend liked me back and it was anything but the obvious.
Afterwards I got inside and cried, felt like my first break up and it was all I could think about. Not my safety but the fact I had thought all this time my crush liked me back but it was a creep instead. I ended up falling asleep on the couch, and the next morning my mom woke me up all worried. I told her everything, bursting out in tears as I felt her body go tense in embrace.
My mom calmed me down then called the police, I was scared they arrest my brothers friend or tell him about the exchange of texts between who I thought was him and i and I begged her not to.
The cops arrived in quite a quick time, but took my phone and lap top. This time it was serious as it was considered attempted kidnapping. I just cried, mourning my relationship that I never really had with my crush. I told them everything, they asked multiple questions over and over too so it was tiring. I ended up missing school that day and the girl who drove me, well she had her own elaborate story that mostly painted me as a liar and I had a ugly older secret boyfriend or something. Just more fuel to the friendless fire.
Well after months they found nothing on the guy and eventually we all put it in the back of our minds. My dad installed a security system and we went on with our lives. I continued to play WoW and other online games. I ended up going to prom with my brothers friend cuz his date cancelled on him and he had a free ticket. We had fun but far as I knew cops never spoke with him.
Eventually I graduated and went off to college, met a guy who played WoW and dated him through college but we broke up after college as I don't want kids. My mom died soon after and all kinda sucked for awhile causing a whole series of events making my baby brothers life troubled. I spent years trying to help him to have it blow up in my face and overall not speaking with my family much at all.
I started streaming on Twitch for WoW and few other games, to pay for extra stuff as I was entry level jobs straight out of college. Was where I started learning make-up and really blossomed realising I was actually a lot more attractive than I gave myself credit, and got really into shape. This part of my life was full of let's not meet stories itself lol but one follower eventually caught my eye as he kept saying something that just made me feel uncomfortable. For about 6 months a guy would join randomly and talk about how smart he was, got into Yale and turned them down.. his troubled life at home and how much he loves Salem Massachusetts at this time of year (fall). But after I met my now boyfriend he stopped showing up.
Part of me wanted to track the guy down but I just wanted to move on with my life.
I currently have a house with my boyfriend of 5 years, 4 cats and a dog. Our anniversary is Halloween, as we met at a Halloween party so kinda when we celebrate. My current boyfriend and play WoW still, on and off along with other games and was a big reason he was attracted to me at the party was my Zelda costume. He is physical my dream guy so was instant match lol. I don't keep any information that can track me on my Facebook, but unfortunately because I own a house the information is out there online. So it's always a fear back of my mind. I still stream and play WoW but much less.
My boyfriend wanted to go to Salem Massachusetts last year as he's never been, and loved my fun stories of my mom and dad there. He took me there as a surprise thinking it would be fun. I had some fun remembering the good times with my mom but the lingering feeling of looking over my shoulder was there. My moms phychic was still there too, so I had to. She didn't recognize me to my disappointment but was perceptive enough to say "your fear of your past coming back lingers heavily tonight". I probably looked anxious.
All the memories came back yesterday when a guy in our guild asked if he could meet up with us in Boston for Halloween as he lives in there and would love to meet us as we told our guild whom we've known most of them for years and many are locals we'd miss an important event in guild due to our anniversary plans in Boston than Salem (though this year were going in basically hassmat suits due to covid, were zombies in hassmat lol). But my blood ran cold as we don't really know this guildie and my first thought was, what if it's him, what if it's creepy WoW guy.
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2020.10.19 15:30 sbthrowawayac I slept with a SD 5 times on out first date and I loved it.

A first date story..
So I met this guy on SA, he was fairly young for an SD at 32 and had "Instagram worthy" photos on his account that wasn't verified at the time, so I thought two things, either he's scammer or he's a catfish.
Nevertheless I messaged him to see, we had an amazing conversation he got straight to the point of what we both were looking for and expecting. He tells me he's trans (not a problem for me) and he's been through all his surgeries. So we Facetime to verify and photos don't do him justice! So he set up a date for the following Friday evening.
So Friday evening came around, we met up at the restaurant only to find out they had cancelled our reservation to comply with Covid 19 restrictions. He tried to pay the guy at the front desk but he wasn't having any of it. So we walk out and I thought that was our date done and we'd have to schedule a new one. So we're walking out to the street, he looks at me and says " fuck this and lets go to in and out?" LITERALLY! By this point I'm starving so I agreed, so we walk up to his car, and it's a nice car. So nice I'm pretty sure if I sold my apartment I'm renting I still wouldn't be able to buy it.
We get in and drive to the nearest drive thru, I give my order, he gives his order, we get our food and park up. We eat and the conversation is flowing really good. I mean this guy was genuinely down to earth, he talks about him growing up in the working class back in England, how he moved and the American dream he achieved. I talk about some really sensitive topics for me and he listens even advising me what to do.
So we just stare at each other for a good 20 seconds, and then I kissed him. (never have I ever initiated something with a guy but here I go) He kissed me back, we were having a little makeout session in the car until we were honked at. So he starts up his car and looks over to me while pulling out and says " we can go back to mine and no I don't intend on sleeping with you.... But I won't be opposed to the idea of it" with a smile on his face you could see from a mile away. I think we both knew at this time what would happen if I went back to his. I agreed. (btw I told my friends I was going out with this guy sent them photos and his number just in case)
So we get back to his and it's a house on the hills with an amazing view and a pool. So he shows me his room, he has a large mirror hanging up so I drop my bag and I walk up to fix my hair and he walks up behind me places his hand on my lower back and just looks at me. So I won't get in every detail but we rip each our clothes off, we jump in to his bed and I pull down his boxers to find a penis that was huge but it did not feel right (to a cis mans penis), So he explained that he had a procedure called phalloplasty which essentially is a skin graft rolled up in to something that looks like a penis, in all fairness it was pretty realistic but I was wondering why I couldn't get him erect, turns out he need an external erectile devise which was a pump stored in one of his testicles. (completely new to this) So long story short we had sex and it was amazing, talked and then went for round two.
So it's about 2 in the morning now, he looks over to me and says "you can stay the night or I can drop you off". So I stayed the night, he showers before bed, he asked if I would join him and I agreed. Round 3 (don't judge me) I didn't feel uncomfortable taking my makeup off infront of him, we just had that vibe if you know what I mean. He even gave me a little container for my lashes. Lol.
So we sleep, following morning came I woke up first, I watched him until he woke up. He got up and offered to make breakfast, he made french toast and English tea. It was good. Went deep in to flirtatious conversation, and then Round 4, and then round 5.
This was a couple of months back and we have just turned exclusive and I've never been happier.
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2020.10.18 20:37 KendrickAiFanfiction Kendrick AI Fanfiction Part 2: Now with less NSFW


So, I decided to start over to get a not NSFW story, It was good at first, but then it got worse. not an NSFW worse, but the AI basically broke.
It starts the same but key differences make it better and worse.


You are Kendrick Lamar, an American rapper, songwriter, and record producer. Considered by many to be one of the greatest musicians of all time, You have frequently been regarded as one of the most influential artists of your generation, as well as one of the greatest rappers and lyricists of all time.

As a musician, You have released over 100 albums in your career. Most notably Your debut album "Good Kid m.A.A.d City"

> You say "Hey Jay Rock, you want to do a song?"
Kendrick Lamar: Hey Jay Rock, you want to do a song?
You: Yeah, I think it'd be cool if we did something."
Jay Rock: "I don't know man. That's my boy Kendrick Lamar.
You say "yes. want to do a song with you, me Schoolboy Q, and Ab-Soul?"
Jay Rock: Yes, i do. I think that'd be sick."
You smile and nod your head.
You: "Cool!"
Jay Rock: "Yeah, let me finish this verse and we can get to it.
You make a song. It takes about an hour. Your song is better than Jay Rock's, and Jay Rock isn't a household name so you get the upper hand. He isn't discouraged though. He's in the booth for about an hour after that, he is very friendly and kind. While he might be a little arrogant, he is a cool cat once you get to know him.
You take a few pictures with him and Jay Rock and his brother before they leave.
It's late by the time you and your friends wrap up your work for the day. You go your separate ways, though Schoolboy Q, Ab-Soul and Jay Rock all plan on meeting up at the Grammy Museum after they leave work. You on the other hand are going home to get some rest before your big night.
The day of the Grammy's is tomorrow, and you've got a lot to do. You need to meet up with your label-mate's, pick up your Grammy dresses, do another interview or two, go to the Grammys, go to a party afterwards, and then come back for the Award Show.
You're feeling pretty confident about your chances tomorrow. Not only are you nominated in 10 categories, but you're also favored in 9 of those. Still, it's not going to be easy, anyone can win .
As you think about your possibilities for the rest of the day, you realize that this is probably your last chance to go out. After tomorrow you're going to be stuck in the studio a lot more, so you might as well go out with some co-workers on a last hurrah. Plus, you know the guys you're working with and you're on good terms with most of them, so there won't be any drama like last time.
That evening you head out to go see your friends.
Later...
You go out to see all your friends from Top Dawg Entertainment. Jay Rock, Schoolboy Q, Ab-Soul, SZA, Zacari, Reason, and the rest are waiting outside the building. You take a look at your phone, and you see that you're a few minutes late. They must be wondering what restaurant you're going to go to.
Jay Rock: Want to go get that place across the street?
SZA: no, i went there. it was disguisting
Schoolboy Q: Nah man, let's go to this one. The food takes like 10 minutes to come out.
You: Mmmm, i like that idea. Okay.
You all head to a local diner, which is pretty crowded for being so late at night. Everyone grabs a table while you order a meal.
In the corner of your eye, you see Drake. He sees you and waves. You wave back. He sits down at the table with you guys, but he's alone. He doesn't order anything, instead he just flashes a smile at all of you.
Drake: What up, Kendrick?
You: What up, Drake?
Drake: I haven't seen you in awhile. You going to the grammy's?
You: Yea, I'm nominated in 10 categories.
Drake: Wow, really? Congrats man!
You: Yea, that's why I'm going out tonight. I'm out to celebrate. I'm also going to the grammy's so I can win.
Drake: That's awesome! will you try and beat me?
You: Haha, I don't think so.
Drake: (with a serious tone) I will if you don't show up.
You: (Smiling) No, I'll be there.
The waiter comes with everyone's food and you all start eating. Drake is telling you about his new club, OVO. He says you should all go there to hang out sometime. Jay Rock then asks where you're going, so you tell him. Jay and Drake start exchanging stories about their own plans for the night.
Jay Rock: I'm just happy that i got nominated for an award.
Drake: Yea, that was my goal for the year.
SZA: I'm just happy to be nominated.
All of a sudden, there is an announcement on the loud speaker.
Annoucer: Flower Boy is the greatest song ever.
All of you: WHAT?!
Drake: (Starts laughing)
After the announcement, your group leaves the diner. Everyone is pretty drunk by now. You take a taxi to some hotel and proceed to get equally wasted. It's going to be a good night.
The next day, you have to go back to the studio. When you arrive, you find that you have a few extra things to take care of.
40 minutes later...
You exit the elevator and enter the offices of 'Aftermath Entertainment'. You're at the right place, but this is a bit strange.
The secretary looks up and smiles.
Secretary: Hey, Mr. Duckworth! How are you?
You: I'm good. I have to see Mr. Dre, is he available?
Secretary: Yea, he's in his office. Just head on past the janitors closet and up the stairs.
15 minutes later...
You knock on the door and hear a gruff voice respond.
Dr. Dre: Come in.
You open the door and see your idol and friend. He's wearing denims and a black V-neck tee shirt..
Dr. Dre: (Still groggy) What's up, kid?
You and Dr Dre start to talk about seats to the Grammy Awards. You realize that you're going to have to choose who you want to sit with.
You: Hmmm... I guess i'm picking SZA this time.
Dr. Dre: Well, ok. I was going to sit with Eminem
You: Cool.
Dr. Dre: Ok. I'm going to go change out of these sweats.
You: OK. I'll see you in a bit.
You leave and head to the studio. Once inside, you open up your laptop and go onto 'Tidal'.
You browse through the artist you follow and find one you'd like to listen too.
Anderson .Paak is a new artist to you, but after the first song, you can tell he's going to be big.
You two are labelmates as well. You should make a song together.
You close your laptop and look for a beat to use. You find one on a Youtube page and preview it. You like the beat, but the hook isn't quite finished. You decide to find someone to do the hook, but not right now as the Grammy Awards start in 1 hours. You put on the track and get yourself ready.
You grab a limo, and go to the awards show.
Young Thug is playing on the radio. You have a blast at the Grammys, wining every single award of the night and dining with everyone. The party goes on for year, but the after effects catch up to you.
Young thug comes up to you
Young Thug: Jeffery Lamar Williams[5] (born August 16, 1991), known professionally as Young Thug,[2] is an American rapper, singer, and songwriter. He is considered to be one of the most influential rappers of his generation, with his music having heavily shaped contemporary trap music and inspired numerous artists.[6] Known for his eccentric vocal style and fashion, he first received attention for his collaborations with rappers Birdman and Gucci Mane.[7] Thug initially released a series of independent mixtapes beginning in 2011 with I Came from Nothing. In early 2013, he signed with Gucci Mane's 1017 Records,[8] and later that year he released his label debut mixtape 1017 Thug to critical praise.[9] It peaked at number 89 on the Billboard Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart and was certified Gold by the RIAA.
You: Young Thug received mainstream recognition in 2014 with the singles "Stoner" and "Danny Glover" in addition to appearances on several singles, including T.I.'s "About the Money", Tyga's "Hookah", and Rich Gang's "Lifestyle." That year, he also signed to Lyor Cohen's 300 Entertainment and collaborated on the mixtape Rich Gang: Tha Tour Pt. 1. In 2015, he released a number of mixtapes, including Barter 6 and two installments of his Slime Season series.
These were followed in 2016 by the commercial mixtapes I'm Up, Slime Season 3, and Jeffery.[10] In 2017, Thug featured on the hit song "Havana" by pop singer Camila Cabello, which became his first number-one single on the Billboard Hot 100.
In 2018, he released a compilation album Slime Language with his label YSL Records.[11] In 2019, he won the Grammy Award for Song of the Year for his songwriting contribution on "This Is America".[12]
Thug has been referenced or parodied in several mainstream articles and entertainment shows. He has also been the focus of academic studies.[13]

You: It's a beautiful summer's night.
Young Thug: Young Thug's signature adlib is Slatt. Slatt slatt.
You: I'm bored as hell.
Young Thug: Young Thug has received both praise and criticism for his eccentric and unique vocal style,[21] which has been described as departing from traditional rap lyricism and sometimes intelligible meaning.[91]
Jeff Weiss of BBC called him the "most influential rapper of the 21st century."[92]
According to The Fader, "in a typical Young Thug verse, he slurs, shouts, whines and sings, feverishly contorting his voice into a series of odd timbres like a beautifully played but broken wind instrument."[9]

Pitchfork called his style "extraordinarily distinctive" and "a weird, experimental approach to rapping" while praising his "presence, persona, mystique, and, potentially, star power."[93] Billboard wrote that "Thug uses this multiplicative vocal delivery to his advantage: where another rapper might lapse into repetition, he finds a new way to distress and warp his tone, to burrow resourcefully into rhythmic cracks and crevices."[94] Complex noted his aptitude for creating catchy, melodic hooks.[95] XXL called him a "rap weirdo", stating that "Thug's charisma, unhinged flow and hooks make his music intriguing."[96]
Critic Sheldon Pearce wrote that "Thug understands the modern pop song construction better than anyone: anything and everything can be a hook."[97]
SZA: Young Thug has been noted for his fast working method,[98] with several collaborators observing his tendency to freestyle tracks live in the studio or quickly develop lyrics on the spot.[99] He doesn't write down lyrics on paper, but has been known to plan lyrics by drawing shapes and signs.[99] Consequence of Sound stated that "his work is constantly rooted in improvisation, an inherently thrilling concept that's embedded itself in black music."[100]
Discussing his work, Williams has claimed the ability to write a hit song in 10 minutes[91] and said "I'm in the studio so much, I'll just try stuff. I just think and try, think and try. I don't really know how to sing, but I've been trying for years."[9]
Young Thug has cited American rapper Lil Wayne, as his biggest idol and influence.[101] In an interview with Complex magazine he says,
"I want to get in the studio with Wayne more than anybody in the world."[101] He has also cited mentor Gucci Mane[102] and Kanye West as influences.[103]
There is no sign of the other two until later in the week.
Young Thug: In February 2018, Young Thug rebranded himself "SEX". He confirmed the news in a since-deleted post on his Facebook page. The age at which Thugger was born remains unknown, but most sources agree that he was around 20 when he was born.
Jay Rock: The owner of the grammy's is a punk. How did i not win? They was tryna do me. That's how they got that punked up look, by using make up! I'ma get that Grammy back.
You: You're on something, aren't you?
Young Thug: Punk is the upcoming second studio album by American rapper Young Thug. It is scheduled to be released in 2020.[1] It is the follow-up to his debut studio album, So Much Fun, which was released in August 2019.
The album was expected to feature a collaborative album titled "Hands in the Air"
You look at young thug
Thugger: As of 2020, Young Thug has appeared on numerous songs by other artists, including "Yell Oh" by Trippie Redd, "Give No Fxk" by Migos, as well as the single "Out West" by JackBoys, the latter peaking at number 38 on the Billboard Hot 100. On April 29, 2020, Young Thug and Chris Brown announced their mixtape, Slime & B.
It was released on May 5, 2020.[90] The project's lead single, "Go Crazy", peaked at number 9 on the Billboard Hot 100, becoming Thug's highest charting single as a lead artist.
In September, he featured on Travis Scott's single "Franchise", which debuted at number one on the Billboard Hot 100. On January 1, 2021, Thug released the second single from his upcoming album, "She Wanna Party".
In September, he announced the album's title to be "Punk" and that he would release it on February 1, 2021.
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You: Alright, it's time to go see this man!
You arrive at a large mansion, with a gate of course. You wait in your car for a few minutes before the passenger door opens and Travis Scott leans over from the seat to get a good look at the house.
Young Thug: "Pick Up the Phone" (stylized as "pick up the phone" on Birds in the Trap Sing McKnight) is a song by American hip hop recording artists Young Thug and Travis Scott.
It was released on June 3, 2016, by Grand Hustle Records, Epic Records, Atlantic Records and 300 Entertainment.[1] It is the lead single from Young Thug's mixtape Jeffery (2016) and the second single from Travis Scott's second studio album Birds in the Trap Sing McKnight (2016).
The song features vocals from Atlanta rapper Quavo from the hip hop trio Migos and additional vocals from American conservative commentator Ben Shapiro The song was nominated for Best Rap Album at the 59th Grammy Awards, but lost to Ariana Grande and Taylor Swift's "Slatt".
Travis Scott starts to yell at young thug.
Travis: "I'm supposed to go in the house, not stand here on the lawn!
Young Thug: Slatt, you out here bout that life!
Travis: Nah, I'm not tryna go in there, they probably got a ton of mad rules.
Young Thug: "Franchise" is a song by American rapper Travis Scott featuring fellow American rapper Young Thug and British rapper M.I.A. It was released on September 25, 2020, alongside a video shot partly in England and at Michael Jordan's Chicago mansion. Originally titled "White Tee", the song interpolates Dem Franchize Boyz's song of the same name. The bass-heavy track finds the rappers boasting about their commercial successes.

The song debuted atop the U.S. Billboard Hot 100, for the chart dated October 10, 2020, becoming Scott's fourth Hot 100 number-one single, Young Thug's second, as well as M.I.A.'s first. By doing so, Scott became the first artist in Billboard chart history to have three songs debut at number one in less than a year.[2] It debuted at number 1 on the Billboard Album 200 chart. It has since been certified Gold in Australia and the United States.

The song will has been nominated for "Best Rap/Sung Collaboration" at the 55th Grammy Awards, which will be held in February 2022.
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2020.10.18 00:32 annemoriarty The disappearence of Emanuela Orlandi and Mirella Gregori: almost 40 years without answers. And there's no theory that makes sense or gets us closer to the truth.

Emanuela Orlandi,15-year-old girl, was the daughter of a clerk working at the Prefecture of the Papal Household [that manages the Papal residence in the Vatican] and disappeared in Rome on June 22, 1983. Her disappearance was then linked to the disappearance of another Roman teenager, Mirella Gregori, who disappeared on May 7, 1983 and was never found again. What at first seemed like a common case of two missing girls, soon became one of the darkest cases in Italian and Vatican history, involving the Vatican itself, the Italian State, the Vatican bank , the Magliana Gang [criminal organization], the Banco Ambrosiano [Catholic bank] and the secret services of several countries. The real nature of the events has never been defined.
flyer with photos and info of the girls: https://images.app.goo.gl/ERHHSNA7epWqFgca6
*** Sorry for any mistake, English is not my native language, I hope everything is understandable 🌈
Mirella Gregori was the youngest daughter of the owners of a bar in Volturno Street in Rome. She lived with her parents and was described by everyone as an absolutely normal girl. She attended a technical high school in Rome. On May 7, 1983, Mirella went to school and returned home around 2pm, after spending some time with a friend in a bar near her home. That friend said they had talked about normal everyday things and could not provide any other information. Back home, Mirella was called on the intercom by someone called "Sandro", who was pretending to be her friend, and to whose requests to go out Mirella exclaimed: "If you don't tell me who you are, I won't come out!". Then she said they could meet at 3pm. Around 3 pm the girl went out, telling her mother that she had an appointment at Porta Pia with an old classmate, who, after being heard by the investigators, declared that he was busy elsewhere that afternoon and had a alibi. Since then, the family has not heard from the girl. The mother reported that her daughter, shortly before she disappeared, bragged to her that she was able to find the money to buy an apartment that her parents could not afford; however, that idea at the time was dismissed as a joke.
Emanuela Orlandi (born in Rome on January 14, 1968) lived in the Vatican city with her parents, brother and sisters: she was the fourth child of five. In June 1983 she had just finished the second year of high school at the Vittorio Emanuele II National Boarding School. She had considerable musical talent and had attended for years a music school in Piazza Sant'Apollinare in Rome, not far from Palazzo Madama [office of the Senate of the Republic]. There she attended piano, flute, choral singing and solfeggio courses.
The day of her disappearance, Emanuela went to music class around 4 pm, but left at 6.45 pm, ten minutes earlier than usual. Then she phoned her older sister Federica from a telephone booth, saying that she would be late because the bus didn't pass and that a man had stopped her on the street offering her a job during a fashion show for the sum of 370,000 lire [about 500 euros today]. It was a job of a few hours as a promoter of cosmetic products of a well-known brand [Avon] during a fashion show in the Sorelle Fontana atelier, in a few days; however, her sister advised her not to heed such a proposal and suggested that she return home as soon as possible to discuss it with their mother. This was the last contact Emanuela had with her family. Later, it was found that the cosmetics company in question - which moreover employed only female staff - had nothing to do with the job offer allegedly made to the young woman and it also turned out that, in the same period, other adolescents of the same age of Emanuela had been lured by a man under the false pretext of advertising cosmetic products at events like fashion shows.
After the phone call, Emanuela together with two classmates (Maria Grazia and Raffaella), reached the bus stop in Corso Rinascimento. According to the girls, Emanuela alluded to a very attractive job offer she received and, warned by them, said that she would first ask permission from her parents and that she would still be careful to avoid nasty surprises. Around 7:30 pm, first Maria Grazia and then Raffaella got on two different buses headed home, while, according to Raffaella, Emanuela didn't get on the bus, because it was too crowded, and said she would wait for the next one. From this moment, all traces of the girl are lost. According to another later version, after the phone call Emanuela confided to Raffaella that she would stay there and wait for the man who had made her the offer, to inform him that she would first ask permission from her parents to participate. Raffaella then reported that she had seen Emanuela (from the bus window) talking to a curly-haired woman, who was never identified, although some suggested that it was most likely some other student of the music school.
When Emanuela didn't come home, her father Ercole and her brother began searching at the music school and in the vicinity of it, they contacted the principal of the school who provided the telephone numbers of some of Emanuela's classmates and advised to wait before alerting the police; nevertheless Ercole Orlandi went immediately to the "Trevi" Commissariat to report her disappearance, but the staff invited him to wait before filing a complaint, suggesting that the girl had stopped for dinner with friends and forgot to call home. The complaint was formalized the following morning (June 23) by her sister Natalina. The next day (24 June) the Roman newspapers "Il Tempo" and "Il Messaggero" published the news of the disappearance and a photograph of the girl, with the plea for help from the family and their telephone numbers.
On June 25, after a series of unreliable phone calls, a interesting phone call arrived from a young man. His name was "Pierluigi", 16 years old. He said that together with his girlfriend he had met two girls in Campo dei Fiori [Roman square]; one of them was selling cosmetics, had a flute with her and said her name was Barbara. "Pierluigi" also reported that "Barbara", at the invitation to play the flute, refused because to do so she had had to wear glasses, which she did not like and had added that she would have preferred a Ray-Ban model like the one that the alleged girlfriend of "Pierluigi" wore.
Three hours later "Pierluigi" called back, adding that "Barbara's" glasses were "teardrop glasses, to correct astigmatism" but refused to meet with Emanuela's family or letting his girlfriend talk to them, claiming that she was distracted and unreliable. These calls appeared reliable to the family, (Emanuela was astigmatic, she was ashamed tof wearing glasses and played the flute). On June 26, "Pierluigi", during another phone-call answered by Emanuele's uncle, added some information about himself: he said that day he was with his parents at a restaurant by the sea. He also communicated that "Barbara" said that she was going to play the flute at her sister's wedding scheduled for September, but refused any further collaboration to track down Emanuela and meet her uncle in person; indeed, when Emanuela's uncle asked him to meet in the Vatican city (at Emanuela's parents' house)"Pierluigi" was surprised and asked the uncle if he was a preist. The investigators found out that among Emanuela's friends there was indeed a boy named Pierluigi, who, however, was on vacation elsewhere at the time of her disappearance.
On June 28 it was the turn of "Mario", who claimed to be the owner of a bar in Rome, near Piazza dell'Orologio [very close to Ponte Vittorio, along the route that Emanuela usually took to go to the music school]. "Mario", who had a strong Roman accent, said he was 35 years old. He claimed to have seen a man and two girls selling cosmetics, one of whom claimed to be from Venice and was called "Barbarella". During the phone call from "Mario" a small detail was significant: when asked about the height of the girl, he hesitated and then said "She's quite tall", but Emanuela was barely 5,2 feet tall. In the background, a second voice was heard, saying "No, more!".
In another phone call, "Mario" explained that "Barbara" had confided to him that she had voluntarily left the house because she was tired of the domestic routine, but that she intended to return at the end of summer, for her sister's wedding. The family, considering this hypothesis impossible, lost faith in the phone calls from "Mario" and "Pierluigi". Years later, it was suggested that "Mario" was a man close to the Magliana Gang [criminal organization], but this hypothesis was never proved.
In the days following Emanuela's disappearance her brother and some friends discovered that a young woman, described as very similar to Emanuela, had been noticed talking to a man (both from a police officer and a traffic policeman on duty in front of the Senate). The man was about 5,7 ft tall, between thirty-five and forty, slender, elegantly dressed, with a long face, balding, he carried a briefcase or bag and drove a green BMW Touring. The policeman claimed there was a casing, perhaps a haversack, in the man's hands.
A collaborator of SISDE [Italian secret services] and friend of Orlandi's cousin, Giulio Gangi, soon managed to track down the "tundra green" BMW; he discovered that it had been repaired (despite being undocumented) by a mechanic from the Vescovio district. A blonde woman had brought the car to this mechanic; the damage involved the breakage of the glass of the right front window, but this breakage did not seem to have been caused by a direct action from the outside towards the inside, it was from the inside towards the outside. Gangi quickly tracked down the woman in question, but she refused to cooperate and on the way back to his office Gangi discovered that his superiors had been informed of what he was doing, despite using fake documents and a fake license plate.
Gangi had also checked the Fontana sisters' atelier, where he was informed that a lot of girls had showed up, deluded to be able to participate as presenters of cosmetics. That possibility was definitely excluded by the director. A year after Emanuela's disappearance, a Roman teenager was lured by a young fake promoter of cosmetics; the man was stopped but turned out to be unrelated to the Orlandi case.
Wikipedia page about the attempted assassination of the Pope (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Pope_John_Paul_II
Wikipedia page about the Gray Wolves (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves_(organization)
Wikipedia page of Mehmet Ali Ağca (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Ali_A%C4%9Fca
On July 3, 1983, the Pope John Paul II addressed a plea to those responsible for the disappearance of Emanuela Orlandi, formalizing for the first time the hypothesis of the kidnapping. On July 5, a phone call came to the Vatican press office. At the other end of the phone a man, who spoke with a strong Anglo-Saxon accent (and for this reason was immediately renamed by the press "the Amerikano"), claimed to be holding Emanuela Orlandi hostage, arguing that many other elements had already been provided by others members of his organization, "Pierluigi" and "Mario", and requested the activation of a direct phone line with the Vatican. He asked to release by July 20 Mehmet Ali Ağca [turkish terrorist, member of the terroristic organization Grey Wolves, he shot the Pope in St. Peter's Square a couple of years earlier]. An hour later, the man called Orlandi home, and played a tape of the recorded voice of a girl with Roman accent, who repeated a phrase six times, perhaps extrapolated from a longer phrase: «School: Vittorio Emanuele II National Boarding School, it's my third year of high school».
On July 8, a man with a Middle Eastern accent phoned a friend of Emanuela, saying that Emanuela was their prisoner and that they had 20 days to release Ali Ağca, then asked for a direct phone line with the Cardinal Agostino Casaroli [Secretary of State]. The young friend declared that she and Emanuela had exchanged telephone numbers on the same day of her disappearance, to keep in touch for the preparation of a concert, adding that Emanuela had transcribed her number on a piece of paper that she had placed in her jeans pocket. On July 17, a tape was found in which the request for the release of Ağca and the request for a direct phone line with Cardinal Casaroli was confirmed; the voice of a girl on the tape was begging for help, saying she felt ill; it was found that the voice had been extrapolated from a film and was not Emanuela's. The phone line was installed on July 18. A few days later, in another phone call, "the Amerikano" asked Emanuela's uncle to make public the message contained on the tape.
The phone calls from "the Amerikano" were 16, all from telephone booths. Despite the various requests, and the alleged evidence, the man (never traced) did not open any real leads. No evidence was ever produced that the girl was actually hostage of the Gray Wolves, the organization of which Ağca was a member of. In the press release of November 20, 1984, the Gray Wolves declared that they kept Emanuela and Mirella Gregori as prisoners. The "Turkish lead" of the Gray Wolves, however, has been disavowed by 'former Stasi [East German secret services] officer Günter Bohnsack, who stated that the East German secret services exploited the case of Emanuela Orlandi and wrote fake letters to Rome, to consolidate the thesis that connected Ağca with the Gray Wolves, in order to exonerate Bulgaria from the accusations during the investigation into the attack on Pope John Paul II.
On February 2, 2010 Pietro Orlandi, Emanuela's brother, had an interview with Ali Ağca, in which the terrorist confirmed the hypothesis that the kidnapping was orchestrated by the Vatican (already mentioned in the phone call of July 5). He mentioned the name of Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re (considering him a person informed on the facts) and reassured him that "Emanuela is alive and will soon return home". According to the former Gray Wolf, the girl “now lives in a secluded villa in France or Switzerland. She will come back home ». A year later, the recording of the interview was published on the show "Who has seen it?" [Italian true crime show], where they censored the cardinal's name. There, Pietro Orlandi announced that he had spoken with the cardinal himself, that denied the words of the terrorist.
Wikipedia page of Cardinal Battista Re (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Battista_Re
According to some newspapers and publications, the identikit of "the Amerikano" corresponds to Monsignor Paul Marcinkus, who at the time was president of the IOR, the Vatican "bank": SISDE specialists, analyzing the messages and phone calls received by the family, for a total of 34 communications, considered them reliable and linked to those who had carried out the kidnapping. The mysterious person had a thorough knowledge of the Latin language, better than Italian, was probably of Anglo-Saxon culture and had a high cultural level and knowledge of the ecclesiastical world and the Vatican, in addition to the in-depth knowledge of different areas of Rome (where he probably had lived).
Wikipedia page of Monsignor Paul Marcinkus (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Marcinkus
Wikipedia page of the Gang (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banda_della_Magliana
Wikipedia page of De Pedis (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_De_Pedis
Wikipedia page of Cardinal Poletti (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugo_Poletti
Wikipedia page of Roberto Calvi (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Calvi
Wikipedia page of Michele Sindona (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Sindona
On July 11, 2005, an anonymous phone call arrived at the editorial staff of the program "Who has seen it?" in which it was said that in order to solve the case of Emanuela Orlandi it was necessary to go and see who was buried in the Basilica of Sant'Apollinare. They had to check "the favor that Renatino did to Cardinal Poletti". It was thus discovered that "Renatino", the deceased man buried there, was none other than a boss of the Magliana Gang, Enrico De Pedis. A journalist managed to obtain the photos of the tomb and the original documents relating to the burial of the boss, commissioned by Cardinal Ugo Poletti, then president of the CEI [Bishop Assembly]. On February 20, 2006, a repentant of the Gang, Antonio Mancini, claimed in an interview with a journalist of "Who has seen it?" that he recognized "Mario"'s voice as the voice of a hitman at the service of De Pedis, called Rufetto. However, the investigations conducted by the Public Prosecutor's Office did not confirm Mancini's statement.
A postcard depicting a southern town was then sent to the editorial staff, with the following text: «Leave Renatino alone». The same year Sabrina Minardi, ex-wife of footballer Bruno Giordano, said in an interview that between the spring of 1982 and November 1984 she had a relationship with De Pedis. In 2007 Antonio Mancini released statements relating to the involvement of De Pedis and some Vatican exponents in the disappearence of Emanuela Orlandi, revealing that in prison, at the time of Emanuela's disappearance, "it was said that the girl was ours [of the Gang], one of us had taken her ". Mancini's declarations also seem to be confirmed by Maurizio Abbatino, another repentant of the Gang who, in December 2009, revealed some rumors among the Gang members on the involvement of De Pedis and his men in the kidnapping and murder of Emanuela. In June 2008 the press reported the statements that Minardi had made: Emanuela was killed and her body, locked up in a sack, was thrown into a cement mixer in Torvaianica [Roman district]. On that occasion, according to Minardi, De Pedis also got rid of the body of an 11-year-old boy killed in revenge, Domenico Nicitra, son of a old member of the Gang. Little Nicitra, however, was killed on June 21, 1993, ten years after the time period described by Minardi, and three years after the death of De Pedis himself, which occurred at the beginning of 1990. According to the woman, the abduction of Emanuela would have been materially carried out by De Pedis, at the orders of Monsignor Marcinkus "because they wanted to send a message to someone above them".
In particular, Sabrina Minardi said she arrived by car at the Gianicolo bar, where De Pedis had told her to meet a girl she was supposed to "take to the Vatican gas station". A dark BMW arrived at the meeting, with "Sergio" ( the driver of De Pedis), then a red Renault 5 arrived with a girl called "Teresina" (the housekeeper of Daniela Mobili, a friend of Minardi) and a confused girl on it, recognized by the witness as Emanuela Orlandi. Then, "Sergio" put Emanuela in the BMW that Minardi drove. Left alone in the car with the girl, the woman noticed that she "was crying and laughing together" and "looked like a drug addict." When she arrived at the gas station, she found a man "who looked like a priest" waiting in a Mercedes with a number plate of the Vatican City. They took Emanuela.The girl then spent her imprisonment in Rome, in a house owned by Daniela Mobili (Minardi's friend) in Pignatelli Street, which had "an immense basement that almost reached the San Camillo Hospital" (whose existence, in addition to a small bathroom and an underground lake, was ascertained by the investigators in June 2008). The housekeeper of Daniela Mobili, "Teresina", took care of Emanuela; according to Minardi, Daniela Mobili was close to Danilo Abbruciati, another leading exponent of the Magliana Gang.
Mobili denied knowing Minardi or having a role in the kidnapping, since in those years she was, like her husband, in prison. However, Minardi has referred in the past to the housekeeper "Teresina", who actually worked at the apartment at that time, even though she did not have a driving license. Subsequently, Minardi cited another member of the Gang, who, traced by the police, confessed that the refuge in Pignatelli Street was indeed a hiding place, "but not for the kidnapped, [but] for the wanted. It was the refuge of "Renatino" [De Pedis] », denying the connection between the former boss of the Magliana Gang and the kidnapping of Emanuela Orlandi.
Minardi said she had dinner twice together with De Pedis (at that time already wanted by the police) and Giulio Andreotti [seven time shady Italian Prime Minister] and that it "has nothing to do directly with Emanuela Orlandi, but with Monsignor Marcinkus, yes". Minardi's statements, although they were recognized by investigators as partially inconsistent (due to the woman's drug use in the past), gained more credibility in August 2008, following the discovery of the BMW that Minardi herself said was used for the transport of Emanuela Orlandi and which appeared to have belonged first to Flavio Carboni, an entrepreneur investigated and then acquitted in the trial on the death of Roberto Calvi [Italian banker], and subsequently in one of the Gang members'. The publication of what Minardi said sparked protests from the Vatican, which, through Father Federico Lombardi, spokesman for the Holy Press Office, spoke of "a lack of humanity and respect for the Orlandi family ", and he defined as" false the accusations made against Archbishop Marcinkus, who has been dead for some time and who's unable to defend himself ".
On June 30 of that year the show "Who has seen it?" transmitted the full version of the anonymous phone call of July 2005, left private until that moment. After the revelations on the tombs of De Pedis and Cardinal Poletti, the voice added "And ask the bartender in Montebello Street, that his daughter was also with her ... with the other Emanuela." The bar turned out to belong to the family of S. D. V., a friend of Mirella Gregori. The staff of the program was also threatened by another anonymous phone call from a certain "Blond". On November 21, another interview with Minardi was broadcasted on Rai News 24, where she said that Emanuela Orlandi had spent the first fifteen days of imprisonment in Torvaianica, in the house owned by Minardi's parents.
On March 10, 2010, the existence of a new suspect was announced, it was Sergio Virtù, indicated by Sabrina Minardi as the trusted driver of De Pedis, and who allegedly had a role in the kidnapping of the girl. The man was under investigation for aggravated voluntary homicide and kidnapping. Virtù was arrested on the day of the interrogation for other crimes and transferred to the Regina Coeli prison. He had two previous sentences for fraud crimes. Virtú denied any wrongdoing on the matter, in particular that he had known or had friendly relations with De Pedis. There were also some statements by another woman, defined by the investigators as a former cohabitant, who also allegedly had a role in the kidnapping and had received compensation for this.
In July 2010 the Vicariate of Rome gave the go-ahead for the inspection of the tomb of De Pedis in the Basilica of Sant'Apollinare and the DNA sampling was compared with the DNA of De Pedis's brother, relatives of Emanuela and Antonietta Gregori, Mirella's sister.
In July 2011, the district prosecutor of Rome arrested some members of the De Tomasi family, accused of crimes including usury and money laundering; according to the investigators, Giuseppe De Tomasi, known as "Sergione", affiliated with the Magliana Gang, was the same person who phoned the Orlandi family in 1983, identifying himself with the name "Mario", while his son, Carlo Alberto De Tomasi, was the author of the phone call to the show "Who has seen it?" in 2005. In 1984 De Pedis was arrested in an apartment in Vittorini Street, propriety of Giuseppe De Tommasi. Sergione, as told by the repentant Abbatino, was pardoned by De Pedis and organized his wedding reception in June 1988. He also attended De Pedis funeral. De Tommasi defended himself by saying that he could not have made that call in 1983 because he was in prison. On July 24 Antonio Mancini, in an interview with " La Stampa", stated that Orlandi was actually kidnapped by the Gang to obtain in return the money invested in the IOR [Vatican Bank] through the Banco Ambrosiano [Catholic bank] (as also hypothesized by judge Rosario Priore). Mancini added that he believed they wanted to ask for 20 billion and that it was De Pedis who put an end to the phone calls, despite the fact that the money had not all been returned, but obtaining in exchange, among other things, the possibility of being buried in the Basilica of Sant'Apollinare, as it actually happened later.
On May 14, 2012, the tomb of De Pedis was finally opened but inside there was just the body of the deceased who, as wished by the family, was cremated. It was then excavated more thoroughly, but only small remains of bones (dating back to the Napoleonic period) were found; no traces of Emanuela and Mirella's DNA was found. Four days later, on 18 May, Monsignor Pietro Vergari was investigated for complicity in kidnapping. In October 2015 the GIP [preliminary judge], at the request of the Public Prosecutor's Office and due to lack of consistent evidence, closed the investigation into the disappearances of Emanuela Orlandi and Mirella Gregori, started in 2006 due to the statements of Sabrina Minardi and which found six people under investigation for murder and kidnapping. In 2018 Abbatino revealed that he learned from Claudio Sicilia [member of the Magliana Band] that De Pedis was behind the kidnapping.
“It was for the money he gave to the Vatican. Money ended up in the IOR pockets and was never returned. And there were not only the billions of De Pedis but also the money of the mafia. The murder of Michele Sindona [italian banker and criminal] and that of Roberto Calvi [italian banker] are linked to the Orlandi kidnapping. If the first one is not resolved, the truth about Calvi's alleged suicide and the girl's disappearance will never be solved. In my opinion it was not an order [from the mafia] but a thing done in agreement. I know of Renatino's relations [De Pedis] with Monsignor Casaroli. I can confirm the Gang's relationship with the Vatican. But I have never met Don Vergari. He may also have done charity but he was certainly not Catholic, Renato was a Buddhist. Relations between the Vatican and the Magliana Gang date back to those years [at least to 1976]. And they are due to Franco's [Magliana Gang member] friendships. There was a homosexual boy, his name was Nando. It was him who brought Franco to Casaroli. Casaroli was known. Franco knew him. And I know that this friendship was "inherited" from Renatino."
According to Father Gabriele Amorth [excommunicated priest, exorcist, and all around not a reliable person], Emanuela Orlandi was drugged and then killed in an orgy of pedophiles held in the Vatican. This is the hypothesis that, in an interview released in May 2012 to" La Stampa", was advanced by the man defined by the newspaper as the "world leader of exorcists"; the theory is also published in his book "The Last Exorcist". In the interview, the exorcist stated the following: «As also stated by Monsignor Simeone Duca, Vatican archivist, parties were organized in which a gendarme was also involved as a" recruiter of girls ". I believe that Emanuela ended up as a victim [...] I never believed in the international lead, I have reason to believe that it was a case of sexual exploitation resulting in murder shortly after the disappearance and concealment of the body. The crime also involved diplomatic personnel from a foreign embassy ”. The same hypothesis, with the addition of the involvement of Monsignor Paul Marcinkus, was made by the collaborator of justice Vincenzo Calcara, former mafia affiliate, who reported to the show "Who has seen it ?", in 2014, an alleged statment of a mafia boss, affirming that Orlandi died during a drug and sex party and that she's buried in the Vatican with other alleged young victims.
An anonymous source, in 2005, stated that Emanuela died, perhaps accidentally, following a "convivial meeting" held in a house near the terminal of the bus that the girl took to return home. The house was propriety of a high prelate or a person close to the Vatican, and her body was probably hidden nearby. No proof of this was found.
In June 2011, during a live debate on TV about Pietro Orlandi's book "My sister Emanuela", a man who declared himself a former SISMI [Italian military secret services] agent stated that "Emanuela is alive, she is in an asylum in England and is always sedated" . He added that the cause of the kidnapping was the knowledge by Ercole Orlandi, Emanuela's father, of "dirty" money laundering activities, linking the kidnapping to the death of Calvi [italian banker].
In September 2017, the journalist Emiliano Fittipaldi, author of two other books concerning the Vatican, published "The impostors. Inquiry into power". In May he came into possession of a report dated March 28, 1998 sent by the then leader of the APSA [who administers the patrimony of the Holy See] Cardinal Lorenzo Antonetti (who died three years earlier) to the archbishops Giovanni Battista Re [substitute for the General Affairs of the Secretariat of State] and Jean-Louis Tauran [in charge of Relations with States] titled "Summary report of the expenses incurred by the Vatican City state for the activities relating to the citizen Emanuela Orlandi" and in the first paragraph reads: "The Administrative Prefecture of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See has received a mandate to draw up a summary document of the economic services necessary to support the activities carried out following the kidnapping and the subsequent events of the citizen Emanuela Orlandi. "
The document, which would prove that the girl was alive, was allegedly stolen in the night between 29 and 30 March 2014, from the safe in an armored cabinet of the Prefecture of Economic Affairs, which was under the responsibility of the secretary Monsignor Lucio Ángel Vallejo Balda. Balda was arrested on November 2, 2015, as part of the so-called Vatileaks 2, for providing confidential information for the publication of the book "Via Crucis" by Gianluigi Nuzzi (which ended up under investigation together with Fittipaldi who had written "Avarizia") and was then pardoned by the Pope. Francesca Chaoqui, a member of COSEA [Pontifical referent for the organization of the economic-administrative structure] under Balda's control until his arrest, revealed that in the safe, in addition to the dossier on Orlandi, there were also dossiers on Michele Sindona [criminal and banker] and Umberto Ortolani [shady banker] (as also confirmed by Monsignor Alfredo Abbondi, head of the Prefecture office), on the IOR and on the political expenses of Pope John Paul II during the Cold War and she also said that the theft was faked by Balda himself.
The report in Fittipaldi's possession was typewritten with a font dating back twenty years, it did not contain official stamps and therefore could also be a fake. It listed the expenses between January 1983 (six months before the disappearance) and July 1997 for a total sum of 483 million lire [around 250000 euros] used to investigate at the Atelier Fontana (from which the girl made the last call home before her disappearance), then they investigated the secretary of State Agostino Casaroli, the president of the CEI Cardinal Ugo Poletti, the boarding and lodging at the Catholic student hostel in London, Emanuela's travel and medical expenses, the trips to London by senior representatives of the Vatican [...].
In June 2017, the Orlandi family had already filed an application to be able to view "a dossier kept in the Vatican" (Pietro Orlandi had learned of its existence in February / March according to their lawyer). Monsignor Angelo Becciu (substitute for General Affairs of the secretariat) denied its existence, however, Cardinal Re assured that "the secretariat of state (of which he was substitute in 1997) had nothing to hide" and on the phone with Fittipaldi stopped the conversation.
In October 2018, the Vatican permitted the DNA analysis on some bones found during restoration work at the Vatican Nunciature in Rome. The investigations, entrusted by the Holy See to Italy, and in particular to the Rome prosecutor and the scientific police, were aimed at comparing those bones with Emanuela Orlandi's DNA. However, the bones found in the Nunciature did not belong to Emanuela Orlandi, nor to Mirella Gregori. From the analysis of the Scientific police the bones of the Nunciature undoubtedly dated back to a period prior to 1964. And above all they were attributable to the skeleton of a man. On 11 July 2019, a further inspection was carried out in two graves in the Teutonic cemetery, those of Princess Sofia of Hohenlohe-Waldenburg-Bartenstein and Princess Carlotta Federica of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, following specific leads. But no human remains were found inside.
documentary (Italian): https://youtu.be/ObQCgKGivqc
Wikipedia pages (English):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Mirella_Gregori
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Emanuela_Orlandi
others::
https://www.insider.com/everything-we-know-about-the-1983-disappearance-of-emanuela-orlandi-2018-11
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/20/emanuela-orlandi-brother-anguish-vatican-missing-teenager-investigation
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49055783
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2020.10.17 19:22 plzaskmeaboutloom Phoebe Bridgers Is the Dreamer

Unmarked spoilers for all of Twin Peaks.
Last night, FBI Deputy Director Gordon Cole had a Monica Belucci dream. Due to advances in dream-recording technology, you can watch it here.
In that dream, Cole was at a street cafe in Paris. Bellucci's friends invited him for a coffee, after which Agent Cooper appeared. Seeing Cole's reaction, Bellucci began to quote the Ancient Texts, saying, "We are like the dreamer who dreams, and then lives inside the dream." Generating the question: "But, who is the dreamer?"
Luckily, the dream was captured on camera, and you can watch it here.
And today, we finally answer it. My friends, the dreamer is alleged-albino Phoebe Bridgers.
Context
In 1989, the FBI sent Special Agent Dale Cooper to investigate the murder of Laura Palmer.
This is after the dissappearance of two previous FBI Agents, both of whom disappeared after investigating missing teenagers. Those are, of course, Chester Desmond, who disappeared in a trailer park while looking for Theresa Banks, and Philip Jeffries, who disappeared after looking for Judy. Well now, I'm not gonna talk about Judy. In fact, we're not gonna talk about Judy at all, we're gonna keep her out of it.
Cooper eventually solves the mystery, with the help of the executives at ABC. Essentially, Laura was killed by a man named Bob. Bob is Judy's son, but Cooper doesn't know that yet, and doesn't know who Judy is yet.
What is Bob?
Bob is from another place. Many beings from another place enjoy eating Garmonbozia, which is a corn-like substance created by human misery. Most of the beings from another place just sort of watch people hang out and suffer and, because our lives are so miserable already, just sort of eat up the Garmonbozia they can find. So, we're all just shitting out corn every time we watch 90 Day Fiance. But, Bob is eviler than most, because he is Judy's son, and Judy is basically pure negativity. So, Bob goes around causing as much misery as possible. Then there's a whole thing with horses, the discovery channel, living maps, and beef jerky, leading to the reveals that Bob is inhabiting Laura's father, Leland, and Judy is inhabiting Laura's mother, Sarah, and they maybe have a horse? Meanwhile, someone sells shovels.
Back in 1989, Cooper began to date someone named Annie. Annie is fine. While attempting to save Annie from the Black Lodge, Cooper is chased and eventually overcome by his doppelganger, leaving Cooper trapped in the Lodge. Turns out Laura is also trapped in the lodge, because she was wearing a magic owl ring when she died. The magic owl ring makes Bob kill whomever is wearing it and transport the spirit to the Red Room, which is a red room in the Black Lodge. It maybe turned Bowie into a teapot.
So, with Laura and Cooper trapped in the Lodge, she's all "See you in 25 years." I guess they just looked in other directions for the rest of the time.
So he just sits there and waits?
I guess. Cooper is so lazy he doesn't even stand up. 25 years Later, he is still trapped in the lodge, having done shit-all. And they lecture us on entitlement. The Bad Cooper has been out conspiring with Philip Jeffries, who hasn't been seen either in-person or in-kettle since he randomly appeared at the FBI ranting about Judy. BadCoop has been working with Jeffries to find this Judy.
To do this, BadCoop has created a glass box in New York that can capture beings from another place. It clearly cannot capture them for long, but it can get them in one place at one time, which adds a lot of value because time is not strictly linear. Additionally, as Judy is basically a demon, she's summoned by sex magic, which is why there is a casting couch by the glass box. This is what happens in the first episode of the Return, which is why Mia-from-Californication deadface seduces-Discount-Matt-Saracen in the first episode, summoning Judy, and killing them both.
Anyways, long story short, BadCoop is eventually lured to Sheriff Truman - no not THAT Sheriff Truman - and they get rid of BadCoop and Cooper reconstitutes into one being. Or does he? Because I think he poops out a Dougie, so technically part of him is missing.
Appropos of nothing, David Bowie is like, "I'm a sexy tea kettle now, and by the way, I travel through time." Naturally, Cooper goes back in time to stop Laura from ever being murdered. However, the second he alters the timeline, Judy is able to abduct Laura. Next, Cooper decides now is the time to try the ol' sex magic. This is because Cooper still has the memories of BadCoop and remembers that Judy is super into sex magic. So, needless to say, Cooper and Laura Dern go to pound town, and emerge into an alterate reality.
In this alternate reality, Cooper knows karate. So, he finds Laura, who goes by the name Carrie Page. He brings her back to Laura's house, as this will help them catch Judy somehow. They find the house owned by the Chalfont and Tremonds, who are people from another place, which is usually a sign of bad things. Electricity flickers, Dale asks, "What year is it?", and Carrie/Laura suddenly screams, you hear Laura's mother call her name, and the show just sort of ends. Forever.
Is It Future Or Is it Past?
At this point, I know what you're thinking: "Is it future, or is it past?"
Ever since the first episode, we have heard variations on, "Laura is the one." It's even one of the loglines of the Return:
Electricity is humming. You hear it in the mountains and rivers. You see it dance among the seas and stars and glowing around the moon, but in these days, the glow is dying. What will be in the darkness that remains? The Truman brothers are both true men. They are your brothers. And the others, the good ones who have been with you. Now the circle is almost complete. Watch and listen to the dream of time and space. It all comes out now, flowing like a river. That which is and is not. Hawk. Laura is the one.
This has led many to theorize that Twin Peaks may be a dream Laura Palmer is having, noting that, in David Lynch's work, dreams are as signficant as reality. This would mean that Laura has created Bob and Judy, the evil beings that inhabit their parents, as a way to process through her father's abuse and mother's enjoyment at watching the same. She dreams that she's dead, as that provides an escape. The Dale Cooper character is a personification of the dream, as he is the White Knight Archetype who prevents her death. Cooper also appears to know he lives inside a dream, as he says things ike, "We live inside a dream."
That explains why everyone keeps saying Laura has the power to defeat Bob and Judy, as she can do so by waking up.
The ending, then, is Cooper accessing Laura's next dream, with the goal of waking her up, because doing so defeats Judy. That's why, in the dream, everyone's name has changed, but only Cooper (now Richard) remembers everything that happened. This is why Cooper brings Laura back to Twin Peaks, to try and make her remember the previous dream, as realizing that will make her realize these are consecutive dreams, making her know neither is truly real, forcing her to wake up, thereby killing Judy.
That's why one of the last things we hear is Laura's mother calling out for her, because that's how a mother wakes up their teenage daughter. And that's why we see nothing afterwards: the dream is over.
But What if Laura Isn't The Dreamer?
The above rests on an assumption: that Laura is the dreamer. And that's because the Log Lady, among others, says she is the one.
But what if that's not what they're saying?
David Lynch is a known fan of homophones. In a 1969 interview, he was quoted as saying, "I, David Lynch, love homophones!"
So, naturally, what if Laura isn't the one? What if 'One', like so many other things in the David Lynch oevrue, is a homophone? It all goes back to that same 1969 interview where David Lynch said, and again, this is a direct quote, "I, David Lynch, love Juan Pablo Galavais, the 18th Bachelor."
And how many episodes are there of Twin Peaks: The Return are there? 18.
I'll pause for a moment here while you collect your jaw from the ground. Clearly, throughout, everyone was saying Laura is the Juan, in homage to Juan Pablo. They were just pronouncing 'one' like 'juan' because David Lynch loves homophones. This is now the definitive theory of Twin Peaks. If you interpret Twin Peaks otherwise, fuck you, you're wrong.
What Does it All Mean?
In many ways, scientists have disputed any theory of epistemological metaphysics that implies an ontological differentiation between Phoebe Bridgers and Juan Pablo Galavais. Those are words, fuck it. The evidence that smart people who fuck usually cite as evidence that these individuals are the same person is:
  1. Juan Pablo works as a bridge in Chile.
  2. When he works as the bridge, he is bridging.
  3. Verbs are words that show an action. In France, which is in Europe, unlike England, where Juan Pablo doesn't live, meaning that French Language rules apply, many verbs have an "-er" conjugation. No shit, really.
  4. Therefore, using the Scientific Method, I have proven that Juan Pablo is a Bridger.
Okay, But What Does that Mean? It's so fucking simple:
  1. We are like the dreamer who dreams, and then lives inside the dream.
  2. Causing Laura Palmer's FBI Agent's Boss to ask, "But who is the dreamer?"
  3. The same FBI Agent who is told "Laura is the One".
  4. Except we know using the Transivtive Method that due to the Science of Homphones that One = Juan.
  5. And Juan is an obvious reference to Juan Pablo Galavais, due to the epistemological ramifications of the number 18.
  6. And Juan Pablo works as a bridge, making him a Bridger.
  7. Which is an obvious allegory for Between Two Firms: The Movie Star Phoebe Bridgers.
  8. Meaning that Phoebe Bridgers is the dreamer.
Conclusion
There's a lot of ramifications of this. It does appear to mean that Phoebe Bridgers may have similar powers to Judy that she can manifest in our reality. This is mostly just the power to turn people's hair white..
She only appears to have used it on herself and Paramore. There are no other known victims. I checked with Conor Oberst, but he's doing fine, though he's still angry with no reason to be.
That said, in terms of reality, we all still exist in the imagination of Robin Pecknold. He is just imaging Phoebe Bridgers (that's kind of a fucked up power dynamic if you ask me), who is dreaming us, I guess, though the dream may be over, throwing our continued existence into question, hence the apocalypse we are currently experiencing.
But why male models?
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2020.10.16 03:46 justanotheracount150 Warcraft Stalker

I live in New England, and Salem is a huge tourist attraction up here. I used to go every year with my parents, my parents were christian, but my mom dabbled in wicca for fun. My dad would get upset about us seeing her books, but my mom raised as a southern baptist, never really defined herself by one religion, she always seemed to believe them all, even ancient religions, she was a big fan of Egyptian history. She was also a psychiatrist, and found every religion had a form of healing mentally which is why she studied many religions in the first place. Most of her documented work was about the fine line between healthly way of health through religion and creating harmful dillusion. She worked with trouble teens.
Every year we would go see this one phychic as my mom really liked her. She liked her ability to read people on a phycology level more so than magical. We would explore the historical parts of Salem for my dad who's interests have always been math and history, few degrees in engineering and math but one in history because he could. He would teach us the history during daylight hours and at night my mom would take us around to the creepy mystery and magical stuff.
This divide often left us with only my mom at night as my dad would sleep in the car to prepare for the hours long drive home. At the point this starts I was 15. I played online videogames, and just got into World of Warcraft, as a female I got a lot of weird attention. (Frame of reference I'm 30 now). It was the last year we'd visit Salem as my mom was getting sick, though I didn't know it yet. I told my guild I was going to Salem and one guy chimed in he lived near it and would love to meet me. I explained I was going to be with my parents and be weird if some guy I never met showed up, and thought nothing more.
I played with my two older brothers and they were in the same guild, neither of them said anything either. What I didn't know is this guy was actually Facebook friends with my brother, and I just joined facebook, as it was recently opened to high school students too. I didn't know but he knew what we looked like.
So the day arrived, we packed up for day trip to Salem, we were excited as usual as both my parents always took extra care to make the trip exciting. And my brother brought his new girlfriend, and other brother brought his best friend I had a huge crush on. We didn't get to do much as a family as my brothers were in college and my parents worked a lot. Non of us knew the day would be much scarier than jump scares and spooky stories.
We did our usual routine there, showed off our costume, got tasty food from venders and just having a good time. My mom at the time was taking our younger brother who was 9 to do the kiddie stuff so I wondered off with my brothers. For those who've never been to Salem it's mostly the down town and turned into a giant witchy fair basically but with historical building instead of barns. My parents gave us 100$ each to go shopping and have fun, my oldest brother bought beer and let me try it but it was gross lol so I got some apple cider. My dad had gone to the car and my brother was commenting on all the hot girls with his friend, and my other brother distracted with his new girlfriend. I had no friends in high school so I just sat alone on a rock wall near by as they chatted and played around.
I decided to go off and get a snack and these fake tattoo art near by. My brothers girlfriend said she join me soon and stay at the artist if I finish early (leave it to a girl to be maternal I guess lol). As I ate my apple fritter in line someone tapped me on the shoulder, I immediately thinking it was my brother and his girlfriend turned around to find a 20 something year old, nerdy obese guy with curly long greasey hair standing over a foot taller than me. He was wearing a Warcraft II shirt and he greeted me and asked me if I played WoW.
I assumed he was looking at my backpack which I drew all over, and it had World of Warcraft written on it. I always carried my backpack with my laptop and full of sketching supplies as I get bored easily. (Ps laptop I had back then was 2000$ hp and heavy as hell)
He explained he played too, and was excited to meet a girl who played WoW. Going to a small school myself the only people I knew who played WoW were my brothers, their friends and their friends younger brothers, who weren't my friends. Despite not having friends, I was a friendly extrovert (I lost popularity due to a fall out with friends where I was made out to be bad person, long story) so I greeted him kindly as I would anyone. Honestly I just got the vibe he was looking for a friend, currently lost all my friends (in a small school of 200 people total for all highschool, it's easy to have your whole grade of 54 people against you, it was a prep school too so clicks were absolutely toxic). I felt sympathy for him as it sucked not having friends, and I was absolutely more vunable as result of losing all my friends and having and entire school hate me.
So we chatted, I didn't even pick up creepy vibes until he mentioned my brothers names. It seemed like a mistake as he tried to cover it up after. Only then I started feeling nervous and it showed. Stupid me just kept nodding to his questions but I had chills, too much to answer anymore verbally. As it was my turn to get a fake tattoo, the lady doing my tattoo obviously saw my discomfort and whispered if I was ok. I didn't want to say anything so I simply shrugged.
Immediately this guy goes off, asking what she wispered to me. A huge red flag went off, as he became possessive of me, saying stuff like I should talk about people behind their backs and it is rude. He said something along the lines of me being a tease and stormed off after bike cops started coming over to see why this guy was yelling.
Now wouldn't that be a fine ending? I wish...
The cops asked who he was, I told them I didn't know him. They asked me my age and name ect, and the lady quickly finished up my tattoo and rejected my payment as I was swifty taken away by police to a tent they had set up. There I called my mom who rushed over like the end of the world happened. I got scolded of all things and my brothers were about to get their butts handed to them on a platter. She was told by the female officer that a man had been harassing me, and it was lucky they showed up (FYI cops are in plenty around Salem especially in October)
About 30 minutes had passed by the time I met up with my mom and creepy guy stormed off. She frantically called my brothers but neither picked up. My mom was fuming so I ran over and bought her apple cider (family thing) and seemed to cool her off a bit while we looked for my brothers.
So after another 30+ minutes she sees my brother and his girlfriend frantically looking for me around the tattoo booth I was originally at. Anndddd off my mom went, left behind hold my baby brothers hand. Least the confused look on his face made me smile.
My mom is overly protective of me as we lost my little sister 11 years before this due to choking. She was a baby and choked while no one was looking. So she would get extra mad on my account, going as far to get a teacher (rightfully) fired for keeping me in class during an asthma attack from an idiot spraying perfume in my face. (Another teacher over heard and pulled me out of class). But not without embarrassing me by screaming at her during school hours.
So here my mom screening at my brother and his girlfriend for being "wreckless". My moms worst nightmare is kidnapping, prob as are most parents. It was quite the scene honestly, but I tried to focus on my baby brother and make him laugh instead. He was everything to me those days anyways, now he's a pretty rude and mean but different events transpired to turn him from sweet kid to mean adult.
I didn't think about where my other brother went till the drama unfolding I guess lured him and his friend to my mom. But as he was walking to my mom to seemingly break up the fight (he was always the calm one) I saw creepy WoW guy in tow with him and his friend... I simply did what every dumb sheltered girl does...I froze. My brother calmed my mom down and eventually told my mom the "creepy man" was his friend from videogames, and was just making sure I was safe since I was seemingly alone.
Durring all this time, I guess he found my brother and spun the story to being a white knight though at the time I was simply clueless to that level of manipulation... My mom turned around to ... Thank him and said sorry for the misunderstanding. They all talked for what seemed like forever but eventually My baby brother pulled me out of my frozen state by needing to pee.
I took him to the bathroom after telling my mom, honestly I was just stunned and didn't think people would believe a 15 year old over a college student. But suddenly this creepy guy runs up to me and my baby brother saying he can take him to the boys room so he doesn't have to go to the icky girls room, as an apology for "catching me off guard, he was just worried about me"...
Idk why but I yelled at him simply " no, he's going with me". I think that's where cogs started moving for my mom, that this guy wasn't all there. My little brother insisted on going to the boys room now though but thankfully my oldest brother stepped in to take him...but creepy wow guy followed in saying he had to go pee anyways, that's all.
I think my mom picked up on my discomfort after this and asked if I wanted to join my dad in the car. Honestly I wanted to but I also really wanted to see a certain tent we passed by before and we still didn't see my mom's phychic yet. So we gathered back up as a family and creepy guy tagged along to see a few more things and wrap the day up with my mom's phychic. In one store I saw a cool dragon statue that was two dragons in a heart shape written on it "eternal love" but it was 200+$ and didn't really go with my pink room with cat figurines and real cats everywhere. I simply thought it was cool.
Creepy guy kept asking me small questions about my school every so often and WoW. But the one that stuck out to me that only my brothers friend overhead was if I liked anyone at school or had a boyfriend yet. My brothers friend actually was a senior at my school, my brother a freshman in college. He chimed in saying "idk but she's going to prom with me" (we actually ended up going to prom together long after this as friends under strange series of events, but at the time we never talked nor had any plans to go to prom together)
I think a light bulb turned on for him and saw that this guy was creeping on me. At this point we knew his age and he was 27 in community college (no judgement for those going to community college or older in college) but was a red flag as he bragged how he's was wealthy, how he turned down Yale and was going to graduate top of his college and so on. And my brothers friend was very uncomfortable with a 27 year old asking a 15 year old about her love life. (My brothers friend was 17)
But being dumb teens we never made a point to tell my mom or my brothers. We just bottled it up I guess. (I won't lie though, I crushed harder on him after this)
We got done with the phychic and we headed back to the car to my dad as Mr WoW creep tagged along. By the time we reached the car my mom had tried to get him to say bye a few times but he insisted he parked the same way as us... It should of been a red flag but we were all tired from walking all day. At the car he gave me that 200$ statue, I never saw him buy it, I think he stole it truthfully. My mom kinda just said it was nice of him and he didn't have to. But I could tell she thought it was weird.
Eventually we make it to the car and he insisted on "meeting the daddy of such a wonderful family". Now that gave us all a chill down our backs. My dad stands at 6ft 9inches and by no means someone you mess with. He did college football for two years till chiche injury took him out, he limps a lot more now that he's in his late 50s due to it. My mom and I are only 5ft 2, so it's quite a difference considering only 18 year old brother is the tallest brother standing 6ft compared to my dad, were all small lol. My dad one of those guys who always dress in a suit too, typical business man. Our family was well off due to both my parents being well paid professionals, idk why my dad always wore suits though even on holliday. But it definitely made him more intimidating to this nerd guy who before this projected confidence.
My dad immediately picked up on my discomfort as this guy mentioned my name and saying "oh and with (my name) you raised such a beautiful daughter too" after he was done saying how nice my dad's family was and bragging how his sons are great blah. Now my dad's not just an engineer for fighter jets but a business man and boss so he handles himself with decorum... usually (unless it's with his friends and they're joking around).
My father responded to him sternly, probably make most people freeze, because he has a really deep authority voice (FYI sucks when you're his kid cuz that voice is truely scary when you're in trouble). That same voice he uses when we've done something wrong he projected on this guy saying "if you would please back away, I'd like to take OUR family home" pointing at my mom. My dad was conservative but he gave full credit to anyone who worked hard regardless or sex religion, color or status, and was apparently already peeved by him constantly saying it was my dad's family. When my mom puts just as much effort and money into it. But mentioning me and creepy vibe was my dad's last straw.
He kept saying goodbye and he'd see us online.... Waving till we were out of sight.
So yeah still not the end... Sorry, in the car we joked a little how weird he was but quickly cheered up with food and tv.
If you've ever been to Salem or most any historical towns in New England, bunch of one way streets and maze to get anywhere in center of town. In this time a car eventually got behind us that took every turn we did. Everyone but my dad was too tired to notice, we were eating treats, and watching TV with VCdvd my dad installed in the back (honestly was pretty cool back then). While we watched scary cartoons recorded off cartoon network about an hour away from home I noticed my mom and dad whispering, and mumbling stuff. Usually this was my parents "sexy talk", incoherent but usually obvious on body language so at first I wrote it off. Few towns away from home though I noticed the body language as did my brothers wasn't "sexy talk" but stressed and worried. My mom mumbled something about police, and told my dad to pull off the highway to the rest stop.
The car went quite, and we pulled off, my mom got out and my younger older brother asked what was going on as we were probably 20min from home. Wasn't long till we all looked at what my dad was looking at intensely. Old beat up off white dirty car, and in the driver seat was creepy WoW guy and a kinda older druggy looking guy in the passenger seat. The WoW guy quickly leaned back to hide his face as we all turned to look at him, but it was definitely him. My brothers at this point are saying WTF, and trying to figure out stuff as my dad say there silently staring and pissed. My brothers girlfriend was obviously nervous and my other brothers friend was obviously unsettled but both were quite.
My oldest brother opened the car door and got out standing outside the car. My dad yelled at him to get back in and close the door. (I should mention the car we had was a large SUV that was very white that stood out so probably not hard to follow in the dark either).
Eventually cops pull in and WoW guy pulls out with another vehicle following him as the police pull up to my dad's car. Now in an action movie cop probably would of taken off and followed them but he just asked my dad questions which I found disappointing but I guess we had no proof or something. My mom soon joined and my dad got out of the car as they talked and eventually it was all over. We got home and I went straight to bed, my older brothers stayed up a bit talking but I was just worn out and my little brother was already asleep in the car in candy comma, so he was carried in like the rest of day trip luggage.
I usually stayed up till 1-2am on weekends gaming but I couldn't today, plus I had school project to finish the next day, so I fell asleep around 11pm. Around 2am my aim went off, I slept with my lap top on usually (not very environmental but I used it for music to sleep to). It immediately woke me up, anyone old enough to know that aim messenger sound knows it wakes you up. Now my AIM screen name was the same was my character in WoW so easy for ppl to add me.
The request was from someone I didn't recognize yet. I groggly accepted and rolled over but wasn't long before a few messages popped up that I half asleep read. Then my bones went cold, that actually happens when you get scared enough and I felt my body get cold soon after.
Long story short my dad parks the SUV outside as my brothers cars, mom's and dads 4 cars take up the garage.
This guy messaging me was WoW creep, obviously at this point. But he was saying how nice it was to meet me, and now that he knew where I lived he could drive down anytime and we could hang out. He continued on with paragraphs of how he thought I was cool and his sob story. Constantly bouncing between how he liked that such a beautiful girl played videogames to his life is a mess and how successful he is... Like flipping through personalities.
After like 5 + minutes my brain was awake enough to go get my brother. I first went to my oldest brothers room on the third floor but the sounds I heard in there were basically do not disturb...
So I went to my other older brothers room and him and his friend were asleep so I felt guilty. I didn't want to wake up my parents and did a bit I debated just waiting till tomorrow to say something. But I looked outside and chill ran down my back remembering he somehow knew where we lived. It was enough to wake up my brother with tears in my eyes. His friend woke up too as I was telling my brother the guy was messaging me on AIM.
They both take a moment and suddenly thier expression changed from tired to frantic as they both walked fast to my room. As they read though the messages they got to where it said he knew where we lived. My brother said he must of followed us somehow or saw the car outside. Both of them tried to think of ways to handle it, I guess feeling same way and not wanting to wake our parents or trying to be strong. Eventually they both concluded the cops needed to know, but didn't want to call the emergency line so my brother eventually went and woke up my mom. My dad's a heavy sleeper so at first he didn't come into my room. My mom read over the messages anddddd took my lap top away. (Actually took it away for two weeks after this too which sucked).
She went into her bedroom and woke my dad as they talked and my brother and his friend sat in my room trying to comfort me in their own ways. I honestly wasn't as scared as I should of been, mostly because I was way to focused on my crush at the time... We also had 10 cats (my mom rescued animals but in particular cats more, we also had a squirrel, two large dogs, and a owl, all rescues she did, except 5 of the cats were sane litter from a pregnant cat my mom took in) so I had 4 cats in my bed also full of threat reduction skills.
My mom I presume called the non emergency line and printed the messages. My brother and his friend eventually went back to his room and I feel asleep in a pile of purring cats on my bed, so wasn't difficult.
I woke up late, breakfast was done but I heated up leftovers. My alarm clock was my lap top so partly why. I guess my parents thought it best not to wake me as they were gone when I woke up. Infact as I realized everyone was gone. My house was big so was usual not to see anyone for hours... so I didn't even know I was home alone till they all came back. They all went to give statements as my neighbor watched the house and my little brother to make sure creep didn't show up.
From what I know my mom didn't want to involve me much as she was scared of the phycological effects or something of the sort. So many details I only learned from my brothers after my mom passed away. But I guess the searched for the guy but they never found him or the guy in the car with him. According to my dad it was two cars following us, the name he had on Facebook wasn't his real name either so all they had was his one profile picture, that actually wasn't him at all. So he wasn't caught and a patrol car would go down our street couple times a night.
Now it should be the end but again he continued to cause problems. He left the guild (a set group in WoW) shortly after and deleted his character week later. But back then you had no idea who a character was attached to, least these days WoW has account wide messenger so you know your friends list characters and can block accounts. But back then you could only block a character and someone could make a new one, and you'd never know they were the same person unless they said so.
Months later we got a new guild member and non of us ever thought to change our usernames or more. By this time my brothers friend had joined us in WoW and we'd kinda become friends after the drama at school settled down. (Long story short my friends cousin asked me out, we went on a date and he got really handsy (not rape but didn't take no for an answer and the guy working the theater saw and called police, then my mom got involved), my mom reported him to school and he was expelled, and I was then the target of lies and hate as he was really liked at school). Guess my brothers friend heard my side without the lies and decided to be my friend kinda since I didn't have any, more so he felt sorry for me though. But we chatted on WoW and it was obvious I had a huge crush on him, especially as my brothers would point it out in guild to embarrass me. But never did I think I would be manipulated through a crush like this. In short I was catfished into thinking my crush made a secret character to message me.
One day this character message me pretending to be my crush and lovestruck me believed it. For weeks we messaged flirty messages and I was over the moon happy. The person told me he couldn't show it in person as he was scared my brother would stop being his friend. I believed it, I fell into like an idiot... I thought my 15 year old self had a secret relationship with my crush. I was very very wrong.
One night he asked me to meet up with him in town after my parents went to sleep, I told him to pick me up but he didn't want to come near my house in fear my brother would see his car. So he told me to pick a place in town and give him the address. So I did, ... I did.. but luckily for me I had started reconnecting with a girl above my grade, not really friends but not enemy's. I offered to give her 50$ to drive me to place in town (I was one of the richest kids in town and her family lived in a 1 floor house near the highway and wasnt wealthy but not poor. But 50$ was a lot to her so she jumped at the chance despite not really being my friend.
He said he be there at 1am and should give me enough time to "walk there". I didn't even think to tell him I was catching a ride, it was pretty freaking cold so I didn't want to walk. He also said he had a Christmas gift for me and wanted to kiss me so I was over the moon not thinking anything through.
3 hours passed and my ride shows up, I give her the money and it seemed to make her friendly enough that the car ride wouldn't be too awkward. She asks why I need to go out this late in the cold to the park, I told her I was meeting someone from school in secret and I'd give her more money next week if she didn't tell anyone who. I had full awareness that she was involved in a lie or two about me so I was willing to buy her silence if it meant I didn't have to wait out in the cold.
So after less than 10 minute ride we get to the park and I wait for a text. I had newest phone back then and was pretty proud to show it off when the girl drive asked to see it. While we were talking about phones I got a text that said "I'm here".
We both look around and don't see anyone in the park or parking lot. I texted back I didn't see him or his car. I knew what my brothers friend drove as he drove me home a few times. He messaged to go to the other side of the park but again it was cold and I definitely didn't dress for the cold. I told him to come to (girls name) car cuz I wasn't dressed for the cold (with winky face).
He said he didn't want anyone seeing us together so I texted back I bought her silence already. After this slow texting cat and mouse game. It felt weird, but I couldn't understand why I felt off. He messaged me saying he had my gift and wanted to give it to me in private, so I borrowed her jacket and went to the middle of the park where there's always a lit building with bathrooms (they were locked at this hour).
But by standing under the light I lost my distance vision to see in the dark far away. I could see a figure on the other side and an outline of a car. He started walking towards me and my heart was racing with fear and excitement. I decided to walk towards him too, getting close enough not to see his face but the moonlight on his car. My brothers friend drove a black sports car, this car was light grey or white, and not even the same shape, was boxy unlike a sports car.
I stopped walking to stare at it parked on the side of the road trying to make out more details, when I saw a person in the cars driver side. As he got closer you could see his curly hair, my brothers friend did not have curly hair, nor was he puggy.
All I knew at this point the guy waving at me wasn't my brothers friend. I turned point and ran back to the girls car without even thinking, i had no idea what to think but my body just reacted. I got in her car as I slammed the door I caught a glimpse of the guy under the light standing there .... It was creepy WoW guy. He lost a good bit of weight but still not fit, but his hair and face were unique enough that I was pretty certain it was him.
My mind was rushing as the girl asked me what was going on. I couldn't even process it, I was more heartbroken than scared, typically Teenager. I eventually got out that I needed to go home now, and I'd explain as just stood there, then started walking back to his car.
She got out of there fast as I told her he followed us home couple months ago and left me creepy messages. She was obviously scared and checking behind her car religiously. After getting home she asked me what was going on she thought it was " brothers friend". I told her I didn't understand myself, but I was scared. In my mind about a million different reasons came up to make me believe that he hacked my brothers friend character, was less painful. Anything that meant his friend liked me back and it was anything but the obvious.
Afterwards I got inside and cried, felt like my first break up and it was all I could think about. Not my safety but the fact I had thought all this time my crush liked me back but it was a creep instead. I ended up falling asleep on the couch, and the next morning my mom woke me up all worried. I told her everything, bursting out in tears as I felt her body go tense in embrace.
My mom calmed me down then called the police, I was scared they arrest my brothers friend or tell him about the exchange of texts between who I thought was him and i and I begged her not to.
The cops arrived in quite a quick time, but took my phone and lap top. This time it was serious as it was considered attempted kidnapping. I just cried, mourning my relationship that I never really had with my crush. I told them everything, they asked multiple questions over and over too so it was tiring. I ended up missing school that day and the girl who drove me, well she had her own elaborate story that mostly painted me as a liar and I had a ugly older secret boyfriend or something. Just more fuel to the friendless fire.
Well after months they found nothing on the guy and eventually we all put it in the back of our minds. My dad installed a security system and we went on with our lives. I continued to play WoW and other online games. I ended up going to prom with my brothers friend cuz his date cancelled on him and he had a free ticket. We had fun but far as I knew cops never spoke with him.
Eventually I graduated and went off to college, met a guy who played WoW and dated him through college but we broke up after college as I don't want kids. My mom died soon after and all kinda sucked for awhile causing a whole series of events making my baby brothers life troubled. I spent years trying to help him to have it blow up in my face and overall not speaking with my family much at all.
I started streaming on Twitch for WoW and few other games, to pay for extra stuff as I was entry level jobs straight out of college. Was where I started learning make-up and really blossomed realising I was actually a lot more attractive than I gave myself credit, and got really into shape. This part of my life was full of let's not meet stories itself lol but one follower eventually caught my eye as he kept saying something that just made me feel uncomfortable. For about 6 months a guy would join randomly and talk about how smart he was, got into Yale and turned them down.. his troubled life at home and how much he loves Salem Massachusetts at this time of year (fall). But after I met my now boyfriend he stopped showing up.
Part of me wanted to track the guy down but I just wanted to move on with my life.
I currently have a house with my boyfriend of 5 years, 4 cats and a dog. Our anniversary is Halloween, as we met at a Halloween party so kinda when we celebrate. My current boyfriend and play WoW still, on and off along with other games and was a big reason he was attracted to me at the party was my Zelda costume. He is physical my dream guy so was instant match lol. I don't keep any information that can track me on my Facebook, but unfortunately because I own a house the information is out there online. So it's always a fear back of my mind. I still stream and play WoW but much less. My moms phychic was still there too, so I had to. She didn't recognize me to my disappointment but was perceptive enough to say "your fear of your past coming back lingers heavily tonight". I probably looked anxious.
My boyfriend wanted to go to Salem Massachusetts last year as he's never been, and loved my fun stories of my mom and dad there. He took me there as a surprise thinking it would be fun. I had some fun remembering the good times with my mom but the lingering feeling of looking over my shoulder was there.
All the memories came back yesterday when a guy in our guild asked if he could meet up with us in Boston for Halloween as he lives in there and would love to meet us as we told our guild whom we've known most of them for years and many are locals we'd miss an important event in guild due to our anniversary plans in Boston than Salem (though this year were going in basically hassmat suits due to covid, were zombies in hassmat lol). But my blood ran cold as we don't really know this guildie and my first thought was, what if it's him, what if it's creepy WoW guy.
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2020.10.15 00:36 CosAustAuq Dazed and confused

TW- 9/11
I feel so so so confused about what I’m doing with my love life. I (21F) broke up with my ex back in July due to him being a human piece of garbage, and because I was also in love with someone else (22m) and he’s from England.
I’m from the states (I’m sorry) and England and I have had a thing for each other for the last 3 years when his family was on vacation in my hometown. He was so sweet, charming and caring and has never left my side. But due to living over 4,000 miles away you can see why it wasn’t such a go. England has always been there whenever I needed to complain, cry, laugh, and talk about life in general. He’s a great person but lately he’s been a bit ignorant.
My moms family is originally from New York and she lost her cousin in 9/11, and when he constantly makes jokes about it or sends me TikToks about it it rubs me the wrong way. I was almost 3 when it happened and being from a state already a bit close it was scary. My mom at the time was devastated and she’s grown from such a horrendous tragedy, and she always goes back to the memorial to see his name and tells me about when they were kids.
England knows this. And on a side note he’s been ignoring my snaps more and is very short with me even when we FaceTime. We used to talk so much but now he just plays FIFA or watches NFL. I asked him if he still likes me in that way and he said of course! And that his mind has never changed. But I feel as if maybe he’s moving on from me and this is the beginning. I shouldn’t have to stay in something one sided but I wish he’d be honest with me about what’s going on. He doesn’t tell me much anymore, so I’ve been leaving him on read for the last week.
While I’ve decided to distance myself from him I wanted to do something slightly chaotic so I downloaded tinder and ended up meeting this really sweet guy (23m). The only problem, his sister was my bully growing up from elementary, middle, and high school. On our first date we got into the topic of how small our town is and how you basically know everyone, and he asked me if I knew his sister. I told him that we were never really close and she wasn’t the biggest fan of me and I never knew why. He asked if it made it awkward and I said “lil bit”. But we ended up having a wonderful night on the beach and ended up making out. We met up again the next day and we got to know each other more and surprisingly had sex. We’re meeting up again Saturday for another date and he seems to really like me. I know that we had sex but he’s still constantly trying to hold a conversation and to get to know me for me. I still find it weird that I’m seeing my childhood bully’s brother but he legit seems like such an angel whenever he messages me.
I feel like since I’ve been single for 3 months I’m not really looking for a relationship. I wanted to be with England so bad but I feel like with him constantly dismissing me, I feel like a second option. With CB brother it’s something new and different.
I know that relationships come when you’re not looking for them but I’m just so lost. What do I do?
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2020.10.13 02:55 John_Charles_Fremont /r/neoliberal elects the American Presidents - Part 53, Bush v Kerry in 2004

Previous editions:
(All strawpoll results counted as of the next post made)
Part 1, Adams v Jefferson in 1796 - Adams wins with 68% of the vote
Part 2, Adams v Jefferson in 1800 - Jefferson wins with 58% of the vote
Part 3, Jefferson v Pinckney in 1804 - Jefferson wins with 57% of the vote
Part 4, Madison v Pinckney (with George Clinton protest) in 1808 - Pinckney wins with 45% of the vote
Part 5, Madison v (DeWitt) Clinton in 1812 - Clinton wins with 80% of the vote
Part 6, Monroe v King in 1816 - Monroe wins with 51% of the vote
Part 7, Monroe and an Era of Meta Feelings in 1820 - Monroe wins with 100% of the vote
Part 8, Democratic-Republican Thunderdome in 1824 - Adams wins with 55% of the vote
Part 9, Adams v Jackson in 1828 - Adams wins with 94% of the vote
Part 10, Jackson v Clay (v Wirt) in 1832 - Clay wins with 53% of the vote
Part 11, Van Buren v The Whigs in 1836 - Whigs win with 87% of the vote, Webster elected
Part 12, Van Buren v Harrison in 1840 - Harrison wins with 90% of the vote
Part 13, Polk v Clay in 1844 - Polk wins with 59% of the vote
Part 14, Taylor v Cass in 1848 - Taylor wins with 44% of the vote (see special rules)
Part 15, Pierce v Scott in 1852 - Scott wins with 78% of the vote
Part 16, Buchanan v Frémont v Fillmore in 1856 - Frémont wins with 95% of the vote
Part 17, Peculiar Thunderdome in 1860 - Lincoln wins with 90% of the vote.
Part 18, Lincoln v McClellan in 1864 - Lincoln wins with 97% of the vote.
Part 19, Grant v Seymour in 1868 - Grant wins with 97% of the vote.
Part 20, Grant v Greeley in 1872 - Grant wins with 96% of the vote.
Part 21, Hayes v Tilden in 1876 - Hayes wins with 87% of the vote.
Part 22, Garfield v Hancock in 1880 - Garfield wins with 67% of the vote.
Part 23, Cleveland v Blaine in 1884 - Cleveland wins with 53% of the vote.
Part 24, Cleveland v Harrison in 1888 - Harrison wins with 64% of the vote.
Part 25, Cleveland v Harrison v Weaver in 1892 - Harrison wins with 57% of the vote
Part 26, McKinley v Bryan in 1896 - McKinley wins with 71% of the vote
Part 27, McKinley v Bryan in 1900 - Bryan wins with 55% of the vote
Part 28, Roosevelt v Parker in 1904 - Roosevelt wins with 71% of the vote
Part 29, Taft v Bryan in 1908 - Taft wins with 64% of the vote
Part 30, Taft v Wilson v Roosevelt in 1912 - Roosevelt wins with 81% of the vote
Part 31, Wilson v Hughes in 1916 - Hughes wins with 62% of the vote
Part 32, Harding v Cox in 1920 - Cox wins with 68% of the vote
Part 33, Coolidge v Davis v La Follette in 1924 - Davis wins with 47% of the vote
Part 34, Hoover v Smith in 1928 - Hoover wins with 50.2% of the vote
Part 35, Hoover v Roosevelt in 1932 - Roosevelt wins with 85% of the vote
Part 36, Landon v Roosevelt in 1936 - Roosevelt wins with 75% of the vote
Part 37, Willkie v Roosevelt in 1940 - Roosevelt wins with 56% of the vote
Part 38, Dewey v Roosevelt in 1944 - Dewey wins with 50.2% of the vote
Part 39, Dewey v Truman in 1948 - Truman wins with 65% of the vote
Part 40, Eisenhower v Stevenson in 1952 - Eisenhower wins with 69% of the vote
Part 41, Eisenhower v Stevenson in 1956 - Eisenhower wins with 60% of the vote
Part 42, Kennedy v Nixon in 1960 - Kennedy wins with 63% of the vote
Part 43, Johnson v Goldwater in 1964 - Johnson wins with 87% of the vote
Part 44, Nixon v Humphrey in 1968 - Humphrey wins with 60% of the vote
Part 45, Nixon v McGovern in 1972 - Nixon wins with 56% of the vote
Part 46, Carter v Ford in 1976 - Carter wins with 71% of the vote
Part 47 - Carter v Reagan v Anderson in 1980 - Carter wins with 44% of the vote
Part 48, Reagan v Mondale in 1984 - Mondale wins with 55% of the vote
Part 49, Bush v Dukakis in 1988 - Bush wins with 54% of the vote
Part 50, Bush v Clinton v Perot in 1992 - Clinton wins with 71% of the vote
Part 51, Clinton v Dole in 1996 - Clinton wins with 91% of the vote
Part 52, Bush v Gore in 2000 - Gore wins with 88% of the vote
Welcome back to the fifty-third edition of /neoliberal elects the American presidents!
This will be a fairly consistent weekly thing - every week, a new election, until we run out.
I highly encourage you - at least in terms of the vote you cast - to try to think from the perspective of the year the election was held, without knowing the future or how the next administration would go. I'm not going to be trying to enforce that, but feel free to remind fellow commenters of this distinction.
If you're really feeling hardcore, feel free to even speak in the present tense as if the election is truly upcoming!
Whether third and fourth candidates are considered "major" enough to include in the strawpoll will be largely at my discretion and depend on things like whether they were actually intending to run for President, and whether they wound up actually pulling in a meaningful amount of the popular vote and even electoral votes. I may also invoke special rules in how the results will be interpreted in certain elections to better approximate historical reality.
While I will always give some brief background info to spur the discussion, please don't hesitate to bring your own research and knowledge into the mix! There's no way I'll cover everything!
George Bush v John Kerry, 2004
Profiles
  • George Bush is the 58-year-old Republican candidate and the current President. His running mate is Vice President Dick Cheney.
  • John Kerry is the 61-year-old Democratic candidate and a US Senator from Massachusetts. His running mate is US Senator from North Carolina John Edwards.
Issues and Background
  • One thing both President Bush and Senator Kerry agree on is that on September 11th, 2001, everything changed. On that date, the United States was attacked by the transnational Salafist terrorist organization known as Al-Qaeda. Nineteen terrorists hijacked four passenger airlines. Two planes were flown into the World Trade Center complex, causing the collapse of the North and South towers. Another plane was flown into the Pentagon. The fourth plane did not reach its intended target, with the hijackers thwarted by the plane's passengers - the plane instead crashed into a field in Pennsylvania. Nearly 3,000 people died in the attacks.
    • One week after the attacks, letters containing toxic anthrax spores were sent over several weeks to media outlets and politicians. Initial speculation including from top government officials suggested the letters may have somehow been connected to Al Qaeda or Iraq, but recent publicly known developments suggest the perpetrator may have been an American connected to the intelligence community.
    • The Bush Administration has taken a number of military actions internationally since the attacks as part of a global "war on terror." The most significant operations are given their own summaries in later bullet points.
    • The leader of Al-Qaeda is Osama bin Laden, and there is an ongoing manhunt for him. Senator Kerry claims that the United States had Osama bin Laden pinned down in Tora Bora but that President Bush outsourced the manhunt to Afghan warlords, and that this is why the terrorist leader was able to escape. This characterization is disputed by President Bush and by General Tommy Franks, who was in charge of US forces in Afghanistan at the time. Just days before the election, a new 17 minute video message from Osama Bin Laden has emerged.
    • On October 26, 2001, President Bush signed the Patriot Act. This legislation expands the ability of law enforcement to monitor phone calls and conduct other surveillance, allows greater pooling of intelligence resources across agencies, and expanded the types of crimes considered "terrorism" as well as the penalties for being found guilty of terrorism. Senator Kerry supports the legislation but has suggested it be amended to be stronger against money laundering and possibly increasing oversight of government surveillance powers. Kerry also says he doesn't like the way the current Attorney General has sometimes applied the legislation.
    • In late 2002, President Bush signed legislation creating a Department of Homeland Security.
  • In October 2001, following a failure to come to an agreement with the Taliban regarding the extradition of Osama Bin Laden, the United States invaded Afghanistan. By December, the United States had overthrown the Taliban regime and begun a rebuilding effort in the nation. Since then, and especially since 2003, the United States has fought the Taliban insurgency which formed from the remnants of the Taliban regime. In October of this year, Afghanistan held national elections, which President Bush has touted as a major success. Senator Kerry has described Afghanistan as the "right" war (in contrast with Iraq as the "wrong" war) and seeks to increase the number of American and allied troops in the country.
  • Starting in 2002, the United States began making the case to the country and to the international community for an invasion of Iraq. In October of that year, Congress passed an authorization of force against Iraq should it be considered necessary by the President. The authorization cited interference with weapons inspectors, domestic repression, the possession and development of chemical and biological weapons capabilities, seeking of nuclear weapons capability, and the presence of Al-Qaeda members in Iraq among other justifications.
    In February 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell presented evidence to the United Nations, arguing that Iraq did possess weapons of mass destruction and was attempting to conceal this fact. He also attempted to link Iraq and Al-Qaeda, primarily through Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi. A month later, the United States announced to the world that diplomacy had failed, and proceeded to invade Iraq alongside the United Kingdom, Australia, and Poland. In April, Baghdad fell, and Saddam Hussein's reign of power ended.
    In May 2003, President Bush announced the end of major combat operations in Iraq in front of a banner reading "Mission Accomplished." What has proceeded since has been an occupation of Iraq which has dealt with a number of challenges. The United States set up a provisional government headed by an American diplomat. This provisional government dissolved the Iraqi military. Unemployment skyrocketed and many government services ended. The United States has since then had to combat an insurgency comprised of former members of the Iraqi military, surviving loyalists to Saddam Hussein, and religious militants. In June of this year, the US and its allies transferred power to a new Iraqi government led by Ayad Allawi.
    • In April of this year, CBS revealed evidence of egregious human rights violations being committed by US Army and CIA personnel against detainees in a prison in Iraq.
    • Just recently, the Iraq Survey Group submitted a final report concluding that Saddam Hussein's Iraq had no chemical weapons, no biological weapons, and no capacity to make nuclear weapons. President Bush's response to the report was as follows:
      Chief weapons inspector, Charles Duelfer, has now issued a comprehensive report that confirms the earlier conclusion of David Kay that Iraq did not have the weapons that our intelligence believed were there. ... The Duelfer report showed that Saddam was systematically gaming the system, using the U.N. oil-for-food program to try to influence countries and companies in an effort to undermine sanctions. He was doing so with the intent of restarting his weapons program, once the world looked away. Based on all the information we have today, I believe we were right to take action, and America is safer today with Saddam Hussein in prison.
    • Republicans have accused Senator Kerry of "flip-flopping" on Iraq, because he voted for the authorization of force there and called Hussein a grave threat, but this year has been very critical of the intervention. He has attempted to reconcile the issue:
      Well, let me tell you straight up, I've never changed my mind about Iraq. I do believe Saddam Hussein was a threat. I always believed he was a threat—believed it in 1998 when Clinton was President. I wanted to give Clinton the power to use force if necessary. But I would have used that force wisely. I would have used that authority wisely, not rushed to war without a plan to win the peace. I would have brought our allies to our side. I would have fought to make certain our troops had everybody possible to help them win the mission.
    • Senator Kerry's plan for Iraq is to use international diplomacy to shift the burden of the rebuilding effort away from the US during his first term. He has said it is possible that by the end of his first term, most of the foreign troops in Iraq would come from countries other than the US. He plans to solicit more international help in Iraq by granting the international community greater access to reconstruction contracts and greater say in the development of a permanent Iraqi government.
  • President Bush has signed into law two rounds of tax cuts. The first bill, in 2001, cut federal income tax breaks for several brackets, cut capital gains taxes, and began a phaseout of the estate tax. The second bill in 2003 lowered rates further. Senator Kerry intends to repeal the Bush tax cuts but only for those making over $200,000 a year.
  • In the 1960s, John Kerry served a four-month tour of duty during the Vietnam War, receiving several medals including three Purple Hearts. He first gained some national recognition as an anti-war activist upon returning, through his involvement with Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Returning to the present, a political group "Swift Vets and POWs for Truth" has formed to oppose Senator Kerry's presidential candidacy. The group claims that Kerry has exaggerated some claims about his service and hurt his fellow servicemen by opposing the war upon return to the US. The group has gone so far as to say he is "unfit to serve" as President. The group has released several television advertisements and a book. As time has gone on, the claims against Kerry have come under serious scrutiny, with some evidence (1) (2) (3) suggesting the attacks on Kerry are unfair or misleading.
  • At the end of last year, President Bush signed into law a major overhaul of Medicare. Perhaps most significantly, a new prescription drug benefit for Medicare beneficiaries will go into effect in 2006. Senator Kerry has attacked President Bush for blocking attempts to allow the importation or at least reimportation of drugs from Canada.
  • In 2002, President Bush signed the No Child Left Behind Act. The main provisions of the legislation mandate an expansion of standardized testing at the state level for public schools receiving federal funds. Further provisions and prescribed corrective action in the legislation depend on a school's ability to consistently improve standardized test scores. Senator Kerry supported the legislation but has criticized the President for not fully funding the associated programs.
  • Embryonic stem cells, coming from human embryos that are about 3-5 days old, are special cells which can divide to form the more specialized cells that are associated with a fully functioning human body. Scientists speak highly of the promise that research on these cells holds, and the potential treatments that could come from such research. However, many conservatives object partially or entirely to embryonic stem cell research because it typically involves the destruction of a human embryo. In 2001, President Bush issued an executive order only allowing federal funds for such research on colonies of stem cells which already existed when the policy was announced. The Bush Administration has argued this is a policy which compromises between ethics and the scientific value of the research. Senator Kerry wants to lift this partial ban.
  • In May of this year, Massachusetts became the first US state to license and recognize same-sex marriages, following a relevant court decision in 2003. John Kerry and George Bush both say they believe marriage is between one man and one woman. However, President Bush supports a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, which Senator Kerry does not. Kerry also voted against the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act.
  • As an exemplification of what they argue is the broader issue of Kerry's alleged "flip-flopping," President Bush and other members of his campaign have repeatedly referred to a quote from Senator Kerry in March, in which he said of a military supplemental appropriations bill, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." Kerry has since said he regrets his phrasing.
Debate Excerpts
Quotations in excerpt titles refer to moderator's prompt, block quotations are from named candidate(s).
First Presidential Debate (full transcript)
(1) Bush on Iraq:
My opponent looked at the same intelligence I looked at and declared, in 2002, that Saddam Hussein was a grave threat. He also said, in December of 2003, that anyone who doubts that the world is safer without Saddam Hussein does not have the judgment to be President. I agree with him. The world is better off without Saddam Hussein.
(2) Kerry on Iraq:
The President just talked about Iraq as a center of the war on terror. Iraq was not even close to the center of the war on terror before the President invaded it. The President made the judgment to divert forces from under General Tommy Franks from Afghanistan before the Congress even approved it, to begin to prepare to go to war in Iraq. And he rushed to war in Iraq without a plan to win the peace.
(3) Bush on homeland security:
But the best way to protect this homeland is to stay on the offense. We have to be right 100 percent of the time, and the enemy only has to be right once to hurt us. There's a lot of good people working hard. And by the way, we've also changed the culture of the FBI to have counterterrorism as its number one priority. We're communicating better. We're going to reform our intelligence services to make sure that we get the best intelligence possible. The PATRIOT Act is vital. It's vital that the Congress renew the PATRIOT Act, which enables our law enforcement to disrupt terrorist cells.
(4) Kerry on the coalition in Iraq:
The United Nations' Kofi Annan offered help after Baghdad fell. And we never picked him up on that and did what was necessary to transfer authority and to transfer reconstruction. It was always American-run. Secondly, when we went in, there were three countries, Great Britain, Australia, and the United States. That's not a grand coalition. We can do better.
(5) Bush on the coalition in Iraq:
Well, actually, he forgot Poland. And now, there are 30 nations involved, standing side by side with our American troops, and I honor their sacrifices. And I don't appreciate it when a candidate for President denigrates the contributions of these brave—brave soldiers. It's—you cannot lead the world if you do not honor the contributions of those who are with us. He called them the "coerced and the bribed." That's not how you bring people together. Our coalition is strong. It will remain strong, for my—so long as I'm the President.
(6) Kerry on whether President Bush lied:
First of all, we all know that in his State of the Union Message he told Congress about nuclear materials that didn't exist. We know that he promised America that he was going to build this coalition. I just described the coalition. It is not the kind of coalition we were described when we were talking about voting for this. The President said he would exhaust the remedies of the United Nations and go through that full process. He didn't. He cut it off, sort of arbitrarily. And we know that there were further diplomatics—efforts underway. They just decided the time for diplomacy is over and rushed to war without planning for what happens afterwards. Now, he misled the American people in his speech when he said, "We will plan carefully." They obviously didn't. He misled the American people when he said, "We'd go to war as a last resort." We did not go as a last resort. And most Americans know the difference.
Vice-Presidential Debate (full transcript)
(1) Cheney on the connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda:
Concern about Iraq specifically focused on the fact that Saddam Hussein had been, for years, listed on the state sponsor of terror, that they he had established relationships with Abu Nidal, who operated out of Baghdad; he paid $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers; and he had an established relationship with Al Qaida. Specifically, look at George Tenet, the CIA director's testimony before the Committee on Foreign Relations two years ago when he talked about a 10-year relationship.
The effort that we've mounted with respect to Iraq focused specifically on the possibility that this was the most likely nexus between the terrorists and weapons of mass destruction.
(2) Edwards on Iraq:
The vice president suggests that we have the same number of countries involved now that we had in the first Gulf War. The first Gulf War cost the American people $5 billion.
And regardless of what the vice president says, we're at $200 billion and counting. Not only that, 90 percent of the coalition casualties, Mr. Vice President, the coalition casualties, are American casualties. Ninety percent of the cost of this effort are being borne by American taxpayers. It is the direct result of the failures of this administration.
(3) Cheney on Edwards:
Your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you "Senator Gone." You've got one of the worst attendance records in the United States Senate. Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session.
The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight.
(4) Edwards on Cheney:
The vice president, I'm surprised to hear him talk about records. When he was one of 435 members of the United States House, he was one of 10 to vote against Head Start, one of four to vote against banning plastic weapons that can pass through metal detectors.
He voted against the Department of Education. He voted against funding for Meals on Wheels for seniors. He voted against a holiday for Martin Luther King. He voted against a resolution calling for the release of Nelson Mandela in South Africa.
Second Presidential Debate (Town Hall) (full transcript)
(1) Bush on government spending:
We have a deficit. We have a deficit because this country went into a recession. You might remember the stock market started to decline dramatically 6 months before I came to office, and then the bubble of the 1990s popped. And that cost us rev-enue—that cost us revenue.
Secondly, we're at war. And I'm going to spend what it takes to win the war, more than just 120 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan. We've got to pay our troops more. We have. We've increased money for ammunition and weapons and pay and homeland security. I just told this lady over here we spent—went from 10 to 30 billion dollars to protect the homeland. I think we have an obligation to spend that kind of money.
(2) Kerry on taxes:
Right into the camera—yes. I am not going to raise taxes. I have a tax cut, and here's my tax cut. I raise the child care credit by $1,000 for families to help them be able to take care of their kids. I have a $4,000 tuition tax credit that goes to parents and kids, if they're earning for themselves, to be able to pay for college. And I lower the cost of health care in the way that I described to you.
(3) Bush on health care:
Let me start with how to control the costs of health care: Medical liability reform, for starters, which he's opposed. Secondly, allow small businesses to pool together so they can share risk and buy insurance at the same discounts big businesses get to do. Thirdly, spread what's called health savings accounts. It's good for small businesses, good for owners. You own your own account. You can save tax-free. You get a catastrophic plan to help you— own it. This is different from saying, "Okay, let me incent you to go on the Government."
(4) Kerry on abortion restrictions:
Well, again, the President just said categorically, "My opponent is against this. My opponent is against that." It's just not that simple. No, I'm not. I'm against the partial-birth abortion, but you've got to have an exception for the life of the mother and the health of the mother under the strictest test of bodily injury to the mother. Secondly, with respect to parental notification, I'm not going to require a 16- or 17-year old kid who's been raped by her father and who's pregnant to have to notify her father. So you've got to have a judicial intervention. And because they didn't have a judicial intervention where she could go somewhere and get help, I voted against it. It's never quite as simple as the President wants you to believe.
Third Presidential Debate (full transcript)
(1) Bush on the flu vaccine shortage:
Bob, we relied upon a company out of England to provide about half of the flu vaccines for the United States citizen, and it turned out that the vaccine they were producing was contaminated. And so we took the right action and didn't allow contaminated medicine into our country. We're working with Canada to, hopefully—that they'll produce a—help us realize the vaccine necessary to make sure our citizens have got flu vaccinations during this upcoming season.
My call to our fellow Americans is, if you're healthy, if you're younger, don't get a flu shot this year. Help us prioritize those who need to get the flu shot, the elderly and the young. The CDC, responsible for health in the United States, is setting those priorities and is allocating the flu vaccine accordingly. I haven't gotten a flu shot, and I don't intend to, because I want to make sure that those who are most vulnerable get treated.
(2) Kerry on whether homosexuality is a choice:
We're all God's children, Bob, and I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was. She's being who she was born as. I think if you talk to anybody, it's not choice. I've met people who've struggled with this for years, people who were in a marriage because they were living a sort of convention, and they struggled with it. And I've met wives who are supportive of their husbands, or vice versa, when they finally sort of broke out and allowed themselves to live who they were, who they felt God had made them. I think we have to respect that.
(3) Bush on Social Security:
I believe that younger workers ought to be allowed to take some of their own money and put it in a personal savings account, because I understand that they need to get better rates of return than the rates of return being given in the current Social Security trust. And the compounding rate of interest effect will make it more likely that the Social Security system is solvent for our children and our grandchildren.
(4) Kerry on assault weapons:
I believe it was a failure of Presidential leadership not to reauthorize the assault weapons ban. I am a hunter. I'm a gun owner. I've been a hunter since I was a kid, 12, 13 years old. And I respect the second amendment, and I will not tamper with the second amendment. But I'll tell you this. I'm also a former law enforcement officer. I ran one of the largest district attorney offices in America, one of the 10 largest. I've put people behind bars for the rest of their life. I've broken up organized crime. I know something about prosecuting. And most of the law enforcement agencies in America wanted that assault weapons ban. They don't want to go into a drug bust and be facing an AK-47.
Platforms
Read the full 2004 Republican platform here.
Read the full 2004 Democratic platform here.
Internet Resources
Kerry/Edwards Website
Bush/Cheney Website (I can't seem to get a working WebArchive link for this one, feel free to send me one if you find one, should be georgewbush.com)
Videos
Debates
First Presidential Debate
Vice-Presidential Debate
Second Presidential Debate (Town Hall)
Third Presidential Debate
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Swift Vets for Truth anti-Kerry ad
Kerry biographical ad
DNC anti-Bush ad
Kerry taxes counter-ad
Strawpoll
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2020.10.12 08:11 honeyborn Mistaking the current stage for reunion

Bonjour! I’m Nana, and this story is going to be long, but I wanted to share it and get your opinions back.
I have met my twin flame in 2018, I was 22 & he was 24. When I saw him, the world stopped and I had to talk to him (we were in a train station & he could have gone anywhere). I wasn’t supposed to be at that train station. I had come to Paris from England to stay over at a friend’s house, we argued, I ended up leaving to a flat party that was cool, but I had to leave at 4am when two of my friends started having sex in front of us.
My mum was getting to Paris at 6am so I decided to go pick her up at the train station. She was late due to the snowfalls, I stayed in front of that train station for 3h in the cold, instead of going inside. I don’t know why but when I saw him it’s like I recognised him.
First I confused him for Jamie Dornan, then I wondered what he’d be doing in a train/coach station. When I talked to him, it felt like we were out of the sphere for 30 minutes (the amount of time we stayed together). He offered me a joint, we talked in front of a park I got his name down but I didn’t know how to ask for his contact. He had to take his coach, so we said goodbye & right before we went our way, he told me that I was « perched », a saying in french to mean to describe someone who’s naturally high. I thought he completely figured me out haha.
Anyway, I left without his phone number but I knew I would see him again. I felt like I had met the one, the love of my life, the one I’d be waiting for and I could tell the love at first sight was mutual. I don’t recall exactly what we talked about but it was mostly eye communication, he had this gaze that looked right through me. I called my mum and told her all of that, and as I was talking to her, I felt a tap on my shoulder and it was him, coming back to take my number. I was soooo excited, I waited and waited until he texted but nothing... with the info he gave me I started investigating and found him three weeks later in a real stalky way lol (EVEN if his families are nobles, he mentioned it when we met, so all I had to do was look up a family tree and the shortcut for his extremely long name).
When I found him, he was very happy that I found him & surprised. We sent each other messages through messengers, in the shape of letters. 6 months later he invited me over to France during the Tour de France, he lived in Brest and here I was embarking on a 10h journey, from train to ferry, ferry to coach, coach to train. I was soooo anxious and excited and inquisitive. We spent such a great time together, we talked about children’s names, meeting his dad, I even met his brother, some of his friends and he was so in awe of me. I extended my trip from 3 to 7 days, he asked me to stay longer but I have a leukaemia and a treatment to pursue in England, I didn’t take enough tablets.. oh I wish I stayed with him the whole month, oh I wish I went back and abandon my English life for him (I need to mention I am french).
Following my return, we were on the phone every night for a month... he had plans to go to China, I had plans to start university. I told him I loved him, he told me he loved me.
When he finally went to China, communicating with him was hard, it was like he abandoned me and I didn’t know how to cope with it, I think I blocked him and broke his heart. I unblocked him and he was furious at me, he also felt like I abandoned him when he was at his lowest and I regret it so much. We still kept in touch, I don’t think we can keep out of touch but for a year, I thought about him, I tried to replace him, I didn’t understand why I couldn’t settle. I was very depressed, at my lowest myself. I felt burdened by the Unpredictability of life, I didn’t know why he didn’t feel the need to talk to me. In between all my relationships, It felt like I was chasing a ghost. It felt like I could not love anyone as much as I loved him.
So now this year, he finally got in touch with me, he told me the reason why he didn’t send me any messages is that he lost his uncle, and shortly after his uncle’s son took his own life, all the while he was in China. His family were hounding and taunting him for being away, and I wasn’t there for him. I understood I had been very selfish, he also isn’t like other men from this generation, he was raised by teachers in boarding schools, his need for electronics and communicating over social media is very low, he doesn’t have any social media but FB as a matter of fact. It never bothered me, but my friends and family always held that against him although I never took it personally. If I had I would never have seen him (I was getting monthly replies even at the beginning).
I realised absolutely wanted to define something that did not a definition, I felt pure love for him. I started sending him messages about my life, about what I felt for him, videos of me roller skating. I went crazy in these messages from time to time, I was annoyed to not get an answer, although he was reading all of it, and when he finally replied I felt relieved. He sent me a few messages, one saying he was finding it difficult to find hope in this fucked up world, with a music attached (the departure - max richter). He told me he was in Amsterdam and to find him again after the madness was over.
We started having a musical relationship, I was sending him some, he was sending me some. The last song he shared before stopping communication again was “one more kiss dear” by evangelis. I fell asleep with these songs every. damn. night. I felt like he was telling me he loved me through these songs. The last one’s lyrics were emphasising a “until tomorrow goodbye” phrase, it took me a minute to realise there would be no more messages. That was during the lockdown.
Now to fast forward I went through some depressive times, concerning him and my life in general. Then I started working again, felt like I had a meaning, I started projects that would benefit people, I started helping people with depression hoping my eventful life finally had a meaning.
I also blocked him again.... I didn’t want to send him any messages, I felt like an harassing lunatic! & at the time I thought I was borderline, I told him I would not bother him again and I didn’t until mid-August.
I unblocked him, sent him a song without expecting any replies. He asked me where I was, I asked him the same, and invited him over to London. He then kind of asked me to come to Amsterdam and I grabbed to the occasion to send him some dates, booked the tickets and that was that!
I felt like a flush of dopamine and oxytocin was released in my body, an energy that made me float through the two weeks before my trip like nothing!
We started called again, talking again, the closer we were getting to the date, the more excited he seemed. He told me he’d come get me wherever I landed, that he HAD TO come and get me, it felt like such a euphoria.
When I arrived (1h ahead) he was unfortunately asleep, I got myself to the address and waited for him to wake up.
I’m going to fast forward again, our energy was magnetic as usual but he was working and it felt like the wrong time for me to bring up any conversation that would derail him from his computer science course. I didn’t know why I was there, I had a torn ligament so resting was the thing I could do the most. It was nothing like I expected and I understood, I didn’t want to make him feel guilty.
During the time I blocked him, he created a fake account to contact me on my second FB account, beginning of august... I didn’t see it, he told me to stop, that he was working a lot, then he asked me to fly to Amsterdam so we could have a conversation. I wish I’d seen it because he barely had any time for me. He was constantly thinking of work and needless for me to say that he is a Virgo, with his Venus in Libra & I’m a Pisces with Venus in Taurus.
The first three days were like the first time, then he went into computer-mode. I felt alone, like I had waisted my time and should have waited to travel. Anyway, he was still as loving and caring but I could tell his speech had changed, his need for self & financial freedom is very dominant in his current life.
The night before my return flight, he invited his friends over to distract me (he had an exam). They were all funny, outgoing etc. I forgot to mention one of his roommate was his best friend,and after my TF finished his exam we all decided to go out as we had been drinking & smoking the whole evening.
Everyone left the flat as soon as I was done getting changed, his best friend stayed behind & I still had to put my handbag together. I went inside my TF’s bedroom to grab my things and his friend followed me in. As soon as I stood up, he grabbed two of my braids, started twirling them AND TRIED TO KISS ME. I was so shocked, I turned my cheek away and he seemed confused. I left the bedroom whilst telling him I only had eyes for his BF, he said he understood and I told him he had some balls. He said I hadn’t seen half of it, he tried to kiss me again on the way down and something felt off. We left the house then a million questions popped into my head, did my TF set this up? did his BF? whyyyy? Later in the night, I told him and he laughed it out saying he probably did this because he knew he liked me.
Which makes little sense to me.
Anyway, the last thing he told me during the night was that he was pondering all week what he should tell me before I leave, should he say something stupid or something useful? He sees himself in me a lot, because of what I am studying (which is what he was studying at my age), he told me some pretty severe things but that literally switched my life around since I came back, he unlocked something that was blocked in my mind, he made me feel like I could do more. I don’t feel depression anymore, I know my purpose now and I know where to start.
Before I was combatting depression, now I beat it.
I started reading again, challenging myself intellectually, I came out of my self pitying habits & my negative thinking.
The only thing is that, all the questions I had about him before I left are still here. I feel like he’s completely out of touch with his emotional self. I had higher hopes and expectations, I thought I would get some clarity about the relation whether I should move on or not & now I feel like it’s never going to happen. I didn’t want him to be my TF, we would have had a firm chance of ending up together. I also know that If I hadn’t looked into twin flames before my trip, I would not have gotten the same lessons out of it. If I did not go at the time I did, I wouldn’t be doing a science and engineering course, besides my final uni year. I feel like I grew up.
Now he hasn’t talked to me since three weeks, I went there four weeks ago. I thought twenty twenty was the year of twin flame reunions and now it s so foggy, he told me to come back whenever I wanted but he also told me that maybe we won’t see each other again. I was in tears before I left, he still didn’t wake up (he hadn’t slept in 24h), I don’t know why he’s like this and I’m wondering if if he’s every going to fucking wake up, see this relation and me for who I am. I just want to know how to love him, I want him to know how to love me to. I feel like it’s my job to make him acknowledge that feelings aren’t going to get him killed. He mentioned he was hurt and now he’s hurting me.
2 years ago he was telling me we wouldn’t be like these backdated couples following the conventions of an entity, and now I understand. Nothing about our relation will ever be normal. I don’t know which stage we are in, but I know we won’t be together for at least 3 years. I don’t know if I should move the fuck along and accept that it won’t be for this life, that I will not match this feeling again, or should I hope? I’m thankful for evolving, for growing and for this relation, I see how his energy affects him and I wish I could teach him to accept his emotional side. Thanks for reading, didn’t know where to ask for advice
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2020.10.12 03:14 justanotheracount150 Salem Massachusetts

I live in New England, and Salem is a huge tourist attraction up here. I used to go every year with my parents, my parents were christian, but my mom dabbled in wicca for fun. My dad would get upset about us seeing her books, but my mom raised as a southern baptist, never really defined herself by one religion, she always seemed to believe them all, even ancient religions, she was a big fan of Egyptian history. She was also a psychiatrist, and found every religion had a form of healing mentally which is why she studied many religions in the first place. Most of her documented work was about the fine line between healthly way of health through religion and creating harmful dillusion. She worked with trouble teens.
Every year we would go see this one phychic as my mom really liked her. She liked her ability to read people on a phycology level more so than magical. We would explore the historical parts of Salem for my dad who's interests have always been math and history, few degrees in engineering and math but one in history because he could. He would teach us the history during daylight hours and at night my mom would take us around to the creepy mystery and magical stuff.
This divide often left us with only my mom at night as my dad would sleep in the car to prepare for the hours long drive home. At the point this starts I was 15. I played online videogames, and just got into World of Warcraft, as a female I got a lot of weird attention. (Frame of reference I'm 30 now). It was the last year we'd visit Salem as my mom was getting sick, though I didn't know it yet. I told my guild I was going to Salem and one guy chimed in he lived near it and would love to meet me. I explained I was going to be with my parents and be weird if some guy I never met showed up, and thought nothing more.
I played with my two older brothers and they were in the same guild, neither of them said anything either. What I didn't know is this guy was actually Facebook friends with my brother, and I just joined facebook, as it was recently opened to high school students too. I didn't know but he knew what we looked like.
So the day arrived, we packed up for day trip to Salem, we were excited as usual as both my parents always took extra care to make the trip exciting. And my brother brought his new girlfriend, and other brother brought his best friend I had a huge crush on. We didn't get to do much as a family as my brothers were in college and my parents worked a lot. Non of us knew the day would be much scarier than jump scares and spooky stories.
We did our usual routine there, showed off our costume, got tasty food from venders and just having a good time. My mom at the time was taking our younger brother who was 9 to do the kiddie stuff so I wondered off with my brothers. For those who've never been to Salem it's mostly the down town and turned into a giant witchy fair basically but with historical building instead of barns. My parents gave us 100$ each to go shopping and have fun, my oldest brother bought beer and let me try it but it was gross lol so I got some apple cider. My dad had gone to the car and my brother was commenting on all the hot girls with his friend, and my other brother distracted with his new girlfriend. I had no friends in high school so I just sat alone on a rock wall near by as they chatted and played around.
I decided to go off and get a snack and these fake tattoo art near by. My brothers girlfriend said she join me soon and stay at the artist if I finish early (leave it to a girl to be maternal I guess lol). As I ate my apple fritter in line someone tapped me on the shoulder, I immediately thinking it was my brother and his girlfriend turned around to find a 20 something year old, nerdy obese guy with curly long greasey hair standing over a foot taller than me. He was wearing a Warcraft II shirt and he greeted me and asked me if I played WoW.
I assumed he was looking at my backpack which I drew all over, and it had World of Warcraft written on it. I always carried my backpack with my laptop and full of sketching supplies as I get bored easily. (Ps laptop I had back then was 2000$ hp and heavy as hell)
He explained he played too, and was excited to meet a girl who played WoW. Going to a small school myself the only people I knew who played WoW were my brothers, their friends and their friends younger brothers, who weren't my friends. Despite not having friends, I was a friendly extrovert (I lost popularity due to a fall out with friends where I was made out to be bad person, long story) so I greeted him kindly as I would anyone. Honestly I just got the vibe he was looking for a friend, currently lost all my friends (in a small school of 200 people total for all highschool, it's easy to have your whole grade of 54 people against you, it was a prep school too so clicks were absolutely toxic). I felt sympathy for him as it sucked not having friends, and I was absolutely more vunable as result of losing all my friends and having and entire school hate me.
So we chatted, I didn't even pick up creepy vibes until he mentioned my brothers names. It seemed like a mistake as he tried to cover it up after. Only then I started feeling nervous and it showed. Stupid me just kept nodding to his questions but I had chills, too much to answer anymore verbally. As it was my turn to get a fake tattoo, the lady doing my tattoo obviously saw my discomfort and whispered if I was ok. I didn't want to say anything so I simply shrugged.
Immediately this guy goes off, asking what she wispered to me. A huge red flag went off, as he became possessive of me, saying stuff like I should talk about people behind their backs and it is rude. He said something along the lines of me being a tease and stormed off after bike cops started coming over to see why this guy was yelling.
Now wouldn't that be a fine ending? I wish...
The cops asked who he was, I told them I didn't know him. They asked me my age and name ect, and the lady quickly finished up my tattoo and rejected my payment as I was swifty taken away by police to a tent they had set up. There I called my mom who rushed over like the end of the world happened. I got scolded of all things and my brothers were about to get their butts handed to them on a platter. She was told by the female officer that a man had been harassing me, and it was lucky they showed up (FYI cops are in plenty around Salem especially in October)
About 30 minutes had passed by the time I met up with my mom and creepy guy stormed off. She frantically called my brothers but neither picked up. My mom was fuming so I ran over and bought her apple cider (family thing) and seemed to cool her off a bit while we looked for my brothers.
So after another 30+ minutes she sees my brother and his girlfriend frantically looking for me around the tattoo booth I was originally at. Anndddd off my mom went, left behind hold my baby brothers hand. Least the confused look on his face made me smile.
My mom is overly protective of me as we lost my little sister 11 years before this due to choking. She was a baby and choked while no one was looking. So she would get extra mad on my account, going as far to get a teacher (rightfully) fired for keeping me in class during an asthma attack from an idiot spraying perfume in my face. (Another teacher over heard and pulled me out of class). But not without embarrassing me by screaming at her during school hours.
So here my mom screening at my brother and his girlfriend for being "wreckless". My moms worst nightmare is kidnapping, prob as are most parents. It was quite the scene honestly, but I tried to focus on my baby brother and make him laugh instead. He was everything to me those days anyways, now he's a pretty rude and mean but different events transpired to turn him from sweet kid to mean adult.
I didn't think about where my other brother went till the drama unfolding I guess lured him and his friend to my mom. But as he was walking to my mom to seemingly break up the fight (he was always the calm one) I saw creepy WoW guy in tow with him and his friend... I simply did what every dumb sheltered girl does...I froze. My brother calmed my mom down and eventually told my mom the "creepy man" was his friend from videogames, and was just making sure I was safe since I was seemingly alone.
Durring all this time, I guess he found my brother and spun the story to being a white knight though at the time I was simply clueless to that level of manipulation... My mom turned around to ... Thank him and said sorry for the misunderstanding. They all talked for what seemed like forever but eventually My baby brother pulled me out of my frozen state by needing to pee.
I took him to the bathroom after telling my mom, honestly I was just stunned and didn't think people would believe a 15 year old over a college student. But suddenly this creepy guy runs up to me and my baby brother saying he can take him to the boys room so he doesn't have to go to the icky girls room, as an apology for "catching me off guard, he was just worried about me"...
Idk why but I yelled at him simply " no, he's going with me". I think that's where cogs started moving for my mom, that this guy wasn't all there. My little brother insisted on going to the boys room now though but thankfully my oldest brother stepped in to take him...but creepy wow guy followed in saying he had to go pee anyways, that's all.
I think my mom picked up on my discomfort after this and asked if I wanted to join my dad in the car. Honestly I wanted to but I also really wanted to see a certain tent we passed by before and we still didn't see my mom's phychic yet. So we gathered back up as a family and creepy guy tagged along to see a few more things and wrap the day up with my mom's phychic. In one store I saw a cool dragon statue that was two dragons in a heart shape written on it "eternal love" but it was 200+$ and didn't really go with my pink room with cat figurines and real cats everywhere. I simply thought it was cool.
Creepy guy kept asking me small questions about my school every so often and WoW. But the one that stuck out to me that only my brothers friend overhead was if I liked anyone at school or had a boyfriend yet. My brothers friend actually was a senior at my school, my brother a freshman in college. He chimed in saying "idk but she's going to prom with me" (we actually ended up going to prom together long after this as friends under strange series of events, but at the time we never talked nor had any plans to go to prom together)
I think a light bulb turned on for him and saw that this guy was creeping on me. At this point we knew his age and he was 27 in community college (no judgement for those going to community college or older in college) but was a red flag as he bragged how he's was wealthy, how he turned down Yale and was going to graduate top of his college and so on. And my brothers friend was very uncomfortable with a 27 year old asking a 15 year old about her love life. (My brothers friend was 17)
But being dumb teens we never made a point to tell my mom or my brothers. We just bottled it up I guess. (I won't lie though, I crushed harder on him after this)
We got done with the phychic and we headed back to the car to my dad as Mr WoW creep tagged along. By the time we reached the car my mom had tried to get him to say bye a few times but he insisted he parked the same way as us... It should of been a red flag but we were all tired from walking all day. At the car he gave me that 200$ statue, I never saw him buy it, I think he stole it truthfully. My mom kinda just said it was nice of him and he didn't have to. But I could tell she thought it was weird.
Eventually we make it to the car and he insisted on "meeting the daddy of such a wonderful family". Now that gave us all a chill down our backs. My dad stands at 6ft 9inches and by no means someone you mess with. He did college football for two years till chiche injury took him out, he limps a lot more now that he's in his late 50s due to it. My mom and I are only 5ft 2, so it's quite a difference considering only 18 year old brother is the tallest brother standing 6ft compared to my dad, were all small lol. My dad one of those guys who always dress in a suit too, typical business man. Our family was well off due to both my parents being well paid professionals, idk why my dad always wore suits though even on holliday. But it definitely made him more intimidating to this nerd guy who before this projected confidence.
My dad immediately picked up on my discomfort as this guy mentioned my name and saying "oh and with (my name) you raised such a beautiful daughter too" after he was done saying how nice my dad's family was and bragging how his sons are great blah. Now my dad's not just an engineer for fighter jets but a business man and boss so he handles himself with decorum... usually (unless it's with his friends and they're joking around).
My father responded to him sternly, probably make most people freeze, because he has a really deep authority voice (FYI sucks when you're his kid cuz that voice is truely scary when you're in trouble). That same voice he uses when we've done something wrong he projected on this guy saying "if you would please back away, I'd like to take OUR family home" pointing at my mom. My dad was conservative but he gave full credit to anyone who worked hard regardless or sex religion, color or status, and was apparently already peeved by him constantly saying it was my dad's family. When my mom puts just as much effort and money into it. But mentioning me and creepy vibe was my dad's last straw.
He kept saying goodbye and he'd see us online.... Waving till we were out of sight.
So yeah still not the end... Sorry, in the car we joked a little how weird he was but quickly cheered up with food and tv.
If you've ever been to Salem or most any historical towns in New England, bunch of one way streets and maze to get anywhere in center of town. In this time a car eventually got behind us that took every turn we did. Everyone but my dad was too tired to notice, we were eating treats, and watching TV with VCdvd my dad installed in the back (honestly was pretty cool back then). While we watched scary cartoons recorded off cartoon network about an hour away from home I noticed my mom and dad whispering, and mumbling stuff. Usually this was my parents "sexy talk", incoherent but usually obvious on body language so at first I wrote it off. Few towns away from home though I noticed the body language as did my brothers wasn't "sexy talk" but stressed and worried. My mom mumbled something about police, and told my dad to pull off the highway to the rest stop.
The car went quite, and we pulled off, my mom got out and my younger older brother asked what was going on as we were probably 20min from home. Wasn't long till we all looked at what my dad was looking at intensely. Old beat up off white dirty car, and in the driver seat was creepy WoW guy and a kinda older druggy looking guy in the passenger seat. The WoW guy quickly leaned back to hide his face as we all turned to look at him, but it was definitely him. My brothers at this point are saying WTF, and trying to figure out stuff as my dad say there silently staring and pissed. My brothers girlfriend was obviously nervous and my other brothers friend was obviously unsettled but both were quite.
My oldest brother opened the car door and got out standing outside the car. My dad yelled at him to get back in and close the door. (I should mention the car we had was a large SUV that was very white that stood out so probably not hard to follow in the dark either).
Eventually cops pull in and WoW guy pulls out with another vehicle following him as the police pull up to my dad's car. Now in an action movie cop probably would of taken off and followed them but he just asked my dad questions which I found disappointing but I guess we had no proof or something. My mom soon joined and my dad got out of the car as they talked and eventually it was all over. We got home and I went straight to bed, my older brothers stayed up a bit talking but I was just worn out and my little brother was already asleep in the car in candy comma, so he was carried in like the rest of day trip luggage.
I usually stayed up till 1-2am on weekends gaming but I couldn't today, plus I had school project to finish the next day, so I fell asleep around 11pm. Around 2am my aim went off, I slept with my lap top on usually (not very environmental but I used it for music to sleep to). It immediately woke me up, anyone old enough to know that aim messenger sound knows it wakes you up. Now my AIM screen name was the same was my character in WoW so easy for ppl to add me.
The request was from someone I didn't recognize yet. I groggly accepted and rolled over but wasn't long before a few messages popped up that I half asleep read. Then my bones went cold, that actually happens when you get scared enough and I felt my body get cold soon after.
Long story short my dad parks the SUV outside as my brothers cars, mom's and dads 4 cars take up the garage.
This guy messaging me was WoW creep, obviously at this point. But he was saying how nice it was to meet me, and now that he knew where I lived he could drive down anytime and we could hang out. He continued on with paragraphs of how he thought I was cool and his sob story. Constantly bouncing between how he liked that such a beautiful girl played videogames to his life is a mess and how successful he is... Like flipping through personalities.
After like 5 + minutes my brain was awake enough to go get my brother. I first went to my oldest brothers room on the third floor but the sounds I heard in there were basically do not disturb...
So I went to my other older brothers room and him and his friend were asleep so I felt guilty. I didn't want to wake up my parents and did a bit I debated just waiting till tomorrow to say something. But I looked outside and chill ran down my back remembering he somehow knew where we lived. It was enough to wake up my brother with tears in my eyes. His friend woke up too as I was telling my brother the guy was messaging me on AIM.
They both take a moment and suddenly thier expression changed from tired to frantic as they both walked fast to my room. As they read though the messages they got to where it said he knew where we lived. My brother said he must of followed us somehow or saw the car outside. Both of them tried to think of ways to handle it, I guess feeling same way and not wanting to wake our parents or trying to be strong. Eventually they both concluded the cops needed to know, but didn't want to call the emergency line so my brother eventually went and woke up my mom. My dad's a heavy sleeper so at first he didn't come into my room. My mom read over the messages anddddd took my lap top away. (Actually took it away for two weeks after this too which sucked).
She went into her bedroom and woke my dad as they talked and my brother and his friend sat in my room trying to comfort me in their own ways. I honestly wasn't as scared as I should of been, mostly because I was way to focused on my crush at the time... We also had 10 cats (my mom rescued animals but in particular cats more, we also had a squirrel, two large dogs, and a owl, all rescues she did, except 5 of the cats were sane litter from a pregnant cat my mom took in) so I had 4 cats in my bed also full of threat reduction skills.
My mom I presume called the non emergency line and printed the messages. My brother and his friend eventually went back to his room and I feel asleep in a pile of purring cats on my bed, so wasn't difficult.
I woke up late, breakfast was done but I heated up leftovers. My alarm clock was my lap top so partly why. I guess my parents thought it best not to wake me as they were gone when I woke up. Infact as I realized everyone was gone. My house was big so was usual not to see anyone for hours... so I didn't even know I was home alone till they all came back. They all went to give statements as my neighbor watched the house and my little brother to make sure creep didn't show up.
From what I know my mom didn't want to involve me much as she was scared of the phycological effects or something of the sort. So many details I only learned from my brothers after my mom passed away. But I guess the searched for the guy but they never found him or the guy in the car with him. According to my dad it was two cars following us, the name he had on Facebook wasn't his real name either so all they had was his one profile picture, that actually wasn't him at all. So he wasn't caught and a patrol car would go down our street couple times a night.
Now it should be the end but again he continued to cause problems. He left the guild (a set group in WoW) shortly after and deleted his character week later. But back then you had no idea who a character was attached to, least these days WoW has account wide messenger so you know your friends list characters and can block accounts. But back then you could only block a character and someone could make a new one, and you'd never know they were the same person unless they said so.
Months later we got a new guild member and non of us ever thought to change our usernames or more. By this time my brothers friend had joined us in WoW and we'd kinda become friends after the drama at school settled down. (Long story short my friends cousin asked me out, we went on a date and he got really handsy (not rape but didn't take no for an answer and the guy working the theater saw and called police, then my mom got involved), my mom reported him to school and he was expelled, and I was then the target of lies and hate as he was really liked at school). Guess my brothers friend heard my side without the lies and decided to be my friend kinda since I didn't have any, more so he felt sorry for me though. But we chatted on WoW and it was obvious I had a huge crush on him, especially as my brothers would point it out in guild to embarrass me. But never did I think I would be manipulated through a crush like this. In short I was catfished into thinking my crush made a secret character to message me.
One day this character message me pretending to be my crush and lovestruck me believed it. For weeks we messaged flirty messages and I was over the moon happy. The person told me he couldn't show it in person as he was scared my brother would stop being his friend. I believed it, I fell into like an idiot... I thought my 15 year old self had a secret relationship with my crush. I was very very wrong.
One night he asked me to meet up with him in town after my parents went to sleep, I told him to pick me up but he didn't want to come near my house in fear my brother would see his car. So he told me to pick a place in town and give him the address. So I did, ... I did.. but luckily for me I had started reconnecting with a girl above my grade, not really friends but not enemy's. I offered to give her 50$ to drive me to place in town (I was one of the richest kids in town and her family lived in a 1 floor house near the highway and wasnt wealthy but not poor. But 50$ was a lot to her so she jumped at the chance despite not really being my friend.
He said he be there at 1am and should give me enough time to "walk there". I didn't even think to tell him I was catching a ride, it was pretty freaking cold so I didn't want to walk. He also said he had a Christmas gift for me and wanted to kiss me so I was over the moon not thinking anything through.
3 hours passed and my ride shows up, I give her the money and it seemed to make her friendly enough that the car ride wouldn't be too awkward. She asks why I need to go out this late in the cold to the park, I told her I was meeting someone from school in secret and I'd give her more money next week if she didn't tell anyone who. I had full awareness that she was involved in a lie or two about me so I was willing to buy her silence if it meant I didn't have to wait out in the cold.
So after less than 10 minute ride we get to the park and I wait for a text. I had newest phone back then and was pretty proud to show it off when the girl drive asked to see it. While we were talking about phones I got a text that said "I'm here".
We both look around and don't see anyone in the park or parking lot. I texted back I didn't see him or his car. I knew what my brothers friend drove as he drove me home a few times. He messaged to go to the other side of the park but again it was cold and I definitely didn't dress for the cold. I told him to come to (girls name) car cuz I wasn't dressed for the cold (with winky face).
He said he didn't want anyone seeing us together so I texted back I bought her silence already. After this slow texting cat and mouse game. It felt weird, but I couldn't understand why I felt off. He messaged me saying he had my gift and wanted to give it to me in private, so I borrowed her jacket and went to the middle of the park where there's always a lit building with bathrooms (they were locked at this hour).
But by standing under the light I lost my distance vision to see in the dark far away. I could see a figure on the other side and an outline of a car. He started walking towards me and my heart was racing with fear and excitement. I decided to walk towards him too, getting close enough not to see his face but the moonlight on his car. My brothers friend drove a black sports car, this car was light grey or white, and not even the same shape, was boxy unlike a sports car.
I stopped walking to stare at it parked on the side of the road trying to make out more details, when I saw a person in the cars driver side. As he got closer you could see his curly hair, my brothers friend did not have curly hair, nor was he puggy.
All I knew at this point the guy waving at me wasn't my brothers friend. I turned point and ran back to the girls car without even thinking, i had no idea what to think but my body just reacted. I got in her car as I slammed the door I caught a glimpse of the guy under the light standing there .... It was creepy WoW guy. He lost a good bit of weight but still not fit, but his hair and face were unique enough that I was pretty certain it was him.
My mind was rushing as the girl asked me what was going on. I couldn't even process it, I was more heartbroken than scared, typically Teenager. I eventually got out that I needed to go home now, and I'd explain as just stood there, then started walking back to his car.
She got out of there fast as I told her he followed us home couple months ago and left me creepy messages. She was obviously scared and checking behind her car religiously. After getting home she asked me what was going on she thought it was " brothers friend". I told her I didn't understand myself, but I was scared. In my mind about a million different reasons came up to make me believe that he hacked my brothers friend character, was less painful. Anything that meant his friend liked me back and it was anything but the obvious.
Afterwards I got inside and cried, felt like my first break up and it was all I could think about. Not my safety but the fact I had thought all this time my crush liked me back but it was a creep instead. I ended up falling asleep on the couch, and the next morning my mom woke me up all worried. I told her everything, bursting out in tears as I felt her body go tense in embrace.
My mom calmed me down then called the police, I was scared they arrest my brothers friend or tell him about the exchange of texts between who I thought was him and i and I begged her not to.
The cops arrived in quite a quick time, but took my phone and lap top. This time it was serious as it was considered attempted kidnapping. I just cried, mourning my relationship that I never really had with my crush. I told them everything, they asked multiple questions over and over too so it was tiring. I ended up missing school that day and the girl who drove me, well she had her own elaborate story that mostly painted me as a liar and I had a ugly older secret boyfriend or something. Just more fuel to the friendless fire.
Well after months they found nothing on the guy and eventually we all put it in the back of our minds. My dad installed a security system and we went on with our lives. I continued to play WoW and other online games. I ended up going to prom with my brothers friend cuz his date cancelled on him and he had a free ticket. We had fun but far as I knew cops never spoke with him.
Eventually I graduated and went off to college, met a guy who played WoW and dated him through college but we broke up after college as I don't want kids. My mom died soon after and all kinda sucked for awhile causing a whole series of events making my baby brothers life troubled. I spent years trying to help him to have it blow up in my face and overall not speaking with my family much at all.
I started streaming on Twitch for WoW and few other games, to pay for extra stuff as I was entry level jobs straight out of college. Was where I started learning make-up and really blossomed realising I was actually a lot more attractive than I gave myself credit, and got really into shape. This part of my life was full of let's not meet stories itself lol but one follower eventually caught my eye as he kept saying something that just made me feel uncomfortable. For about 6 months a guy would join randomly and talk about how smart he was, got into Yale and turned them down.. his troubled life at home and how much he loves Salem Massachusetts at this time of year (fall). But after I met my now boyfriend he stopped showing up.
Part of me wanted to track the guy down but I just wanted to move on with my life.
I currently have a house with my boyfriend of 5 years, 4 cats and a dog. Our anniversary is Halloween, as we met at a Halloween party so kinda when we celebrate. My current boyfriend and play WoW still, on and off along with other games and was a big reason he was attracted to me at the party was my Zelda costume. He is physical my dream guy so was instant match lol. I don't keep any information that can track me on my Facebook, but unfortunately because I own a house the information is out there online. So it's always a fear back of my mind. I still stream and play WoW but much less. My moms phychic was still there too, so I had to. She didn't recognize me to my disappointment but was perceptive enough to say "your fear of your past coming back lingers heavily tonight". I probably looked anxious.
My boyfriend wanted to go to Salem Massachusetts last year as he's never been, and loved my fun stories of my mom and dad there. He took me there as a surprise thinking it would be fun. I had some fun remembering the good times with my mom but the lingering feeling of looking over my shoulder was there.
All the memories came back yesterday when a guy in our guild asked if he could meet up with us in Boston for Halloween as he lives in there and would love to meet us as we told our guild whom we've known most of them for years and many are locals we'd miss an important event in guild due to our anniversary plans in Boston than Salem (though this year were going in basically hassmat suits due to covid, were zombies in hassmat lol). But my blood ran cold as we don't really know this guildie and my first thought was, what if it's him, what if it's creepy WoW guy.
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2020.10.10 22:27 sunlightonthewater Hello, long time lurker. I was hoping to find other women who are nearer to my age ( late 30s)to discuss the life style.

Thumbnail portrait. I am near 40. I suppose I could have been called a sugar baby and have been living this life style off and on since I was in my early 20s. I am not looking for a sugar daddy . I am looking to just communicate with other women who have a similar life style.
I am quite good looking and in good shape. I’ve had a nip and tuck here and there, but nothing terribly invasive. No lip fillers, cheek fillers, hair extensions although I did have a breast lift. Just Botox etc...I live in New England where there is definitely money but the people I’m around are in many ways conservative . Liberal in politics but...careful with money lol. I dress the way I want, short nails, cashmere and so forth but it happens to coincide with the look of the people around me. Maybe just a bit flashier than the other wives and women, but not by much.
I married a man who was older and well off, although not REALLY wealthy. He died a few years ago and left me in a comfortable position as long as I live frugally, which I do. With the money that he left me, I built a small, charming, 3 bedroom ,single story home on a lake in New England. I have solar panels, pellet/wood stove, small green house and four chickens lol! I drive a older Volvo convertible, wear a old Cartier watch-sometimes. I have a girl who went to a private school and I saw her every weekend. Now I see her everyday. She is not my husbands child but he did adopt her and set up a trust to provide for her education and various future needs. She did better than I did! I own the house outright and after I became a widow, I wiped out all debt, against our attys advice. I do not believe in “good debt” I was left stocks, IRAs etc...My point being, I am very fortunate and private. There is not a soul, including my husband who would ever suspect that I have dabbled in the pool.
I do not want to marry again or be in a relationship although I have lots of advice! What I miss...are the presents! I feel guilty confessing this but it’s true. I am comfortable as long as I don’t suddenly pick up a gambling habit but most of the spare money I have goes to my daughter, one way or another. I wouldn’t use any dating apps because it’s just not me. 🤷🏼‍♀️ I am very much on the down low, live in a small, lakeside community. I have had great luck in the far past picking up little part time jobs at marinas, golf clubs, even a sea side diner where I met my husband! I was a waitress in the morning on the weekends. It was a small place, where allot of the customers were older, wealthy men who owned boats.
So...I miss the perfumes as I had a serious issue with it lol, flowers, being a foodie, the clothes and jewelry etc...I miss, pre COVID times like everyone. I miss having smaller problems and the usual worries about a child. I miss being care free and frivolous tbh. I feel guilty about precarious good fortune, health, the future. At this point, I don’t see opportunity’s where I can meet men the same way. My daughter will be with me for an indefinite time. I wish I could just say if I find you attractive in some way, I enjoy sex and just gifts please! Here is my wish list. Lol. Too much time can be a dangerous thing..
I guess I’m hoping to speak with women who are older, more mistress types? Although I’m always open to any interesting dialogue. I did see a forum, but sadly there are no posters.
Good fortune to you all.
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2020.10.09 16:57 ThrowawayWeirdo101 I haven't got over my ex from 4 years ago and I have now become a creepy, stalker weirdo

I am a 28 year old guy and 4 years ago the love of my life broke up with me, she was my whole world and our connection was insane. Cringey as it sounds I just could read her easily if something was bothering her I instantly knew, I could always tell weather she was in the mood for sex or not, we liked all the same things and were super supportive of each other. She's actually semi famous by the way she is pro woman's footballer here in England and the reason she left me was because she was just moving to a new club and felt that she needed to be single to concentrate on her career. It broke me then and now she is all that I can think about I tried to contact her later but was shut down. I constantly check up on her social media and she recently has a new boyfriend and the thought of her being with another guy is maddening.
Now here's the really creepy stuff, I have dated plenty of other woman since but I have never actually been much interested in them, I essentially want to turn them into my ex, I purposefully date woman who have similar looks and then I manipulate them (if I can) into getting the same hear style and colour as my ex, dressing in the same clothes and acting the same. I have also paid prostitutes to roleplay as my ex. I have caused lots of damage to lost of women because I am so obsessed but I just can't stop, therapy won't help me I tried it once but it just amounted to being told to stop doing the weird things I do but I just can't.
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2020.10.07 13:40 mallowsprout I feel like I'm not warranted in feeling how I do but at the same time, my anger is justified

Light NSFW! Sorry if formatting is weird, I'm on mobile.
My (22F) ex FWB (22M) who is still very good friends with my current partner just announced he was getting engaged and when my partner told me, I almost lost my shit. Sorry this is a long one but I've been holding this in for a while.
For context, this FWB, we'll call him Tim, and I were seeing each other consistently for a year before he moved abroad. He treated me like shit right after I got out of an abusive relationship and I genuinely don't think he understood how bad a person he was to me.
I was his therapist nearly our entire "relationship". Tim pretty much used me as an unofficial girlfriend, introducing me to his family and friends and opting to spend nearly all our spare time together. I even introduced him to my best friends and they were very highly opposed to it since they didn't see him through the rose coloured glasses I was seeing him in.
Tim has a lot of unresolved trauma and admittedly it was a mistake for me to take it all on after having so much trauma of my own.
His mum didn't accept who he was and often gaslit and manipulated him when he would try and express himself to her, he has low self-esteem and relies on sex as a way to confirm his worth as a person, his father walked out and he is very much the odd one out amongst his family which I think only added to his self-esteem issues and he didn't understand boundaries with interpersonal relationships.
My partner, fake name Max, told me before we'd got together that when he and his ex girlfriend broke up, Tim slept with her that same weekend and that wasn't even the first time Tim had done that with Max's ex girlfriends. She was ex number 3 that he'd done that to and Max wasn't even the only person within his circle of friends where he slept with their exes only days after they broke up.
Tim did a huge number on my mental health issues. The most vivid memories I have of us are me just crying to either myself, my friends or Max. He once invited me to a party while arranging to have sex with another girl and when I confronted him about it, he told me she wasn't hot and that he'd rather sleep with me anyway and that he only said yes to her because she offered.
He told me to my face that he can't meet women without wanting to have sex with them. This wouldn't be so upsetting had I not just introduced him to my childhood best friend of 12 years who is practically my sister.
He would invite me to go out to the club's with him, get annoyed and practically drag me away from other men if we were getting along, then ditch me for random women. I vividly remember chatting with a really nice guy who it turns out I went to school with and while we were talking, Tim dragged me to another club and told me I shouldn't have talked to that guy because we were out together.
Once he admitted he thought about drugging his mum to try and help her understand who he was as a person because he knew she would never accept him otherwise and I had to explain to him that making people unknowingly take drugs was an awful thing to do.
When he left to go overseas, he told me he loved me which he had never said before. This actually hurt my feelings more than it made me feel any sort of positive emotion because he said it right before leaving on a trip he had no scheduled return date for. I still to this day have no idea why he said that to me because I just can't bring myself to believe it.
Seven months of Tim being gone go by and I start feeling better. I go to the gym, I get a new job and Max and I end up rekindling our friendship since we hadn't spoken since Tim left and I figured I had no real reason to try and stay friends with a lot of his friends given how hurt our whole "relationship" made me feel.
Max and I eventually started casually seeing each other, going out, getting to know each other. Max is the polar opposite of Tim in just about every way and our healthy relationship sometimes gives me anxiety because it feels like it's too good to be true.
I felt very uncomfortable when Max mentioned he wanted to tell Tim about us. Turns out even though Tim treated me like dirt, I still felt guilty about dating one of his friends and Tim still kept in contact with me occasionally, once even mentioning that he wanted me to come over to where he was staying so he could show me around and that he missed me. I stopped entertaining him after that, pretty much putting my foot down with Tim and agreeing to just be friends because I was still very confused with him
I talk to Max about it and he lets me know that whenever I feel ready to let people know about us seeing each other, he would support me. He told me he was actually annoyed with Tim because he was proud of being with me and he wanted to show me off and once again, Tim was ruining something else for him.
That was the final straw for me so I said fuck it and told Tim everything. I told him Max and I were together, that we'd been seeing each other casually but now it was getting serious and that I didn't tell him because I was scared of his reaction but that I couldn't let that control me. He told he he thought we might have gotten along since we were very similar and that he was happy for us, then he starts telling me about how he's having a really tough time overseas because he lost his job over there and was running out of money.
It felt really manipulative to me that he brought that up right after I told him about something I was happy about. I told him that things would get better and I left it at that.
Unfortunately, he didn't. Though he was telling me he was having a bad time overseas, he was telling Max all about how he was sleeping with the woman who owned the sharehouse he was living in. A woman who had a long term boyfriend who had no idea what was going on because he lived in the Netherlands while she lived in England at the time and when Max told him that he was disappointed in Tim, Tim's excuse was "I know it's bad but she's proper thicc". I ended up deleting every trace of Tim from anything I could find and asking Max to not bring him up around me again because he made me sick.
I was so disgusted in him and myself after that. That was over a year ago now.
Since then, Max and I have been amazing and he supported me and my decision to get therapy and he's my cheerleader through everything. I can genuinely say that I love this man. Tim was occasionally brought up but I found he was less and less triggering until last night;
Max tells me that Tim and the girl who he slept with all those months ago are in love and they've gotten engaged.
It felt like a huge step backwards for me. At first I laughed at it, hilarious that someone like Tim knew what it was like to love someone, especially someone who would cheat on their significant other with a total stranger like his new fiancee. Then I got angry, like inconsolablely angry. I lashed out at Max and eventually all the pent up feelings I thought I had been dealing with in therapy just spilled out.
Max was a champ and he managed to calm me down and we talked about it at length. I admitted that part of me wanted to message the woman, we'll call her Beth, and tell her how awful and hurtful Tim was and that their marriage wouldn't last and that she needs to get out of there but then I remember how she cheated and immediately it was funny to me again.
The reason that Tim hasn't had the chance to treat her how he treated me is because where he is in England has heavy covid restrictions. He has literally had nobody else except Beth to talk to and interact with because he doesn't know anyone else in the country. He has no other friends and neither of them have a job so they only have each other to see and their house to go.
I feel like a vindictive monster but at the same time, I genuinely want to see this relationship fail because I think the most satisfying thing would be to see someone who hurt me so badly fuck something as big as marriage up. I want this relationship to turn sour and to see both these terrible people (I hate cheaters, Beth is not off the hook) have to reap what they sow when their marriage inevitably turns to shit because apparently Tim doesn't believe in therapy and told Max he thinks meditation and exercise will fix all his trauma since he and Beth got together. Max told me that Beth encourages Tim to explore alternative means of therapy and I have nothing against alternative means, but going to Amsterdam to do shrooms because you have unresolved mummy issues that makes you fuck anything with tits is not the same as making healthy coping mechanisms alongside a trained professional.
He's meant to be returning from overseas and I told Max that I didn't want him coming to our place and that I was fine that they were still friends and didn't mind them hanging out but I just didn't feel comfortable interacting with him because I clearly still have unresolved issues around him. Max understood completely and let me know that he stands by my decision and will let Tim know about my boundaries because I think if I talk to him, I'm going to hurt his feelings
I am fully of the mindset that once Tim gets back from overseas where our covid restrictions are very relaxed, that he will go back to his old ways. I don't believe he has changed as bad as that sounds and I don't believe that marriage is going to "fix him". Max believes he's going to try and bring Beth over with him to meet his friends and family and I told Max if I ever saw the two of them, I'd probably do something I regret like bully them for being bad people and make jokes about how they probably won't be honeymooning in the Netherlands because it turns out Beth never actually told her ex why they were breaking up because being a cheater and a coward seem to go hand in hand, or probably cuss them out or something, I don't know. I jokingly told my therapist I'd probably resort to violence and she told me that wasn't funny and she didn't believe that was a joke.
I'm sorry this was very long but I don't really know how to feel and Reddit gives good advice from I've seen so here I am, venting on the internet.
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2020.09.30 01:19 SuaveTwo my ex contacted me after being blocking me for two months, and now we're close friends again

Before you read, I don’t know how to format so I apologize.
In February, a day before our two years my (19 M) girlfriend (18 F) broke up with me. I thought it was going to be just a thing where she’d get back together with me a day later or something, but I was wrong. Basically we broke up because we weren’t really working out. We were both seniors in high school, she had Full I.B (International Baccalaureate, college leveled classes) and I was working 5 days a week in school. During senior year we would only hangout on weekends and she’d come over my house around midnight and we’d just fall asleep together. No conversations, nothing. We’d wake up to many alarms at 7am every single weekend. I had enough of it. I was upset because I haven’t hung out with any of my friends and her and I would only hang out to fall asleep. I told her I wanted a break, I told her I just wanted to hang out with my friends. So she broke up with me.
A little context. We started dating in our sophomore year of high school (2018) and from then we became so close, literally like we were married. That summer, we spent every single day together, sleeping over each other’s houses, doing everything in the world together. 2019 was a good year for us, in the summer we flew to Florida and a month later we flew to England for eleven days.
The last 7 months have been easily the worst months of my life. Her and I had a locker in school next to each other, we had one class together and she still sat next to me. We never met up and talked about anything. A few weeks later, covid-19 lockdown happened. I didn’t see her from March-June 2nd. We texted everyday, we were in contact over social media until she blocked me.
In June, we met up for the first time after our breakup and we cried together and then she told me that she just wanted to be friends and she wanted nothing more than that. I wanted a relationship with her so badly. My mental health was so bad, I was crying everyday, I just wanted to be with her again. We hung out once or twice a week as friends but every time I saw her I just wanted to kiss her and tell her how much I loved her. And a few times I broke down and started sobbing and told her how much I loved her and how I just wanted a second chance. She didn’t give me it. She just wanted to be friends and it hurt me so bad.
In July, I still wanted a relationship and we still hung out at least once or twice a week. She and her friends planned a girls trip to a beach house and they planned on drinking. I got a drunk facetime call from her and her friends and they started joking on me and harassing me. They made fun of me on how I should move on, how my p*nis is small and how my ex moved on and she’s getting better d*ck now (Just to clarify, her and I were each other’s firsts and we both weren’t seeing anyone, well that’s where the story gets interesting). So I then started freaking out, I was with two of my friends and they heard all of this. I texted her “why did you say that?” And I was questioning her and I was in utter shock. I kept questioning her when she was sober if she’s been seeing someone and she replied “it’s none of your business”.
A few days later we planned on bringing each other’s stuff over. I asked her if she was down to come in and talk to me about this and she never replied. It’s July 31st, her car pulls up half way down the street and her friend walks out of the car. Her friend brings all of my stuff to my steps and I ask “where is she? Is she gonna talk to me?” her friend says “no. I don’t think she wants to. She left you a letter”. This is when I started freaking out. I ran upstairs into my room, threw all of my shit against my bed and the letter fell out. I open the letter and instantly see “I know you’ve been asking who I’ve been with, and even though it really isn’t any of your business, I’ve been hooking up with/talking to (a close friend).
I went into absolute fucking crazy mode. I was so upset. Here’s a little side story on the close friend: so basically this kid came into my life because I’m a photographer and he would slide up on my posts and tell me how cool my photography is and how he wants to do a shoot some time. So him and I did a shoot together and then out of nowhere we became close friends. He would give me advice on trying to get back with my ex, he’d literally use my phone to text her (being me) just to get her and I back together. And a few times I saw that he was hanging out with her and another one of her girl friends and I didnt think twice about it. I kept thinking that he was just chilling with my ex's friend.

So from July 31st, I’ve been at the LOWEST mental point in my life. There were days where I just cried, I sobbed every second. There were days where I wanted to just quit on everyone. I was so hurt, my closest friend was there every second of this heartbreak.
From July 31st up until a few days ago, I was blocked on all social media accounts, phone numbers, everything. I had no way to contact her, and she never contacted me.
Recently (September), I’ve been so much better. I learned to love myself, I appreciate life a lot more, I love hanging out with my friends, I work on my car, I still work at my job and make money, I love my family. On social media, I’ve been posting about how my mental health is so much better, how i’m so happy, how I appreciate life and love everyone. All I do is spread good vibes and positivity and then out of nowhere, a day before my 19th birthday she messages me on a new account saying “hi how have you been lately”. We texted ALL night.
She unblocked me on her real instagram and then the next day we hung out. We took photos together and we genuinely had a good time. The next day, she posted on instagram and I commented on the post “your personal photographer is so nice” and then I get a text from the old “close friend” who hooked up with my ex and he basically threatens me. So then I ask my ex, why is he texting me? Long story short, she told me they were dating. She was then asking me stuff about him, because I’ve known the kid since 6th grade (over 6 years ago) and she met the kid two months ago. She kept asking me stuff about him and she told me that they were having problems and she really didn’t know what was best for her right now.
A few days ago, she broke up with him. Her and I have texted every single day since she contacted me. Today, she texted me saying she only wanted a friendship with me and she didn’t want to do anything like cuddle/have sex because she was uncomfortable with it. I basically told her I didn’t want a relationship and I don’t have feelings for her (but unfortunately guys, I still have feelings for her).
I know this is so long but I honestly need help. What should I do? I get jealous of her talking to guys, I don’t like thinking of her sleeping with other guys, I MYSELF Do not talk to any girls because I just can’t. I have no game, I’m not ready to have sex with anyone else. I just want to do stuff with HER! I’m honestly in such a weird spot because I want to keep her in my life and I know she wants to keep me in hers, but I just don’t want anything to do with her if she doesn’t want to do anything with me/date me. I recently found myself relapsing and getting all sad and heartbroken again, now that she’s in my life again. What should I do?
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2020.09.30 01:18 SuaveTwo my ex contacted me after she blocked me for two months, and now we're suddenly close friends again

Before you read, I don’t know how to format so I apologize.
In February, a day before our two years my (19 M) girlfriend (18 F) broke up with me. I thought it was going to be just a thing where she’d get back together with me a day later or something, but I was wrong. Basically we broke up because we weren’t really working out. We were both seniors in high school, she had Full I.B (International Baccalaureate, college leveled classes) and I was working 5 days a week in school. During senior year we would only hangout on weekends and she’d come over my house around midnight and we’d just fall asleep together. No conversations, nothing. We’d wake up to many alarms at 7am every single weekend. I had enough of it. I was upset because I haven’t hung out with any of my friends and her and I would only hang out to fall asleep. I told her I wanted a break, I told her I just wanted to hang out with my friends. So she broke up with me.
A little context. We started dating in our sophomore year of high school (2018) and from then we became so close, literally like we were married. That summer, we spent every single day together, sleeping over each other’s houses, doing everything in the world together. 2019 was a good year for us, in the summer we flew to Florida and a month later we flew to England for eleven days.
The last 7 months have been easily the worst months of my life. Her and I had a locker in school next to each other, we had one class together and she still sat next to me. We never met up and talked about anything. A few weeks later, covid-19 lockdown happened. I didn’t see her from March-June 2nd. We texted everyday, we were in contact over social media until she blocked me.
In June, we met up for the first time after our breakup and we cried together and then she told me that she just wanted to be friends and she wanted nothing more than that. I wanted a relationship with her so badly. My mental health was so bad, I was crying everyday, I just wanted to be with her again. We hung out once or twice a week as friends but every time I saw her I just wanted to kiss her and tell her how much I loved her. And a few times I broke down and started sobbing and told her how much I loved her and how I just wanted a second chance. She didn’t give me it. She just wanted to be friends and it hurt me so bad.
In July, I still wanted a relationship and we still hung out at least once or twice a week. She and her friends planned a girls trip to a beach house and they planned on drinking. I got a drunk facetime call from her and her friends and they started joking on me and harassing me. They made fun of me on how I should move on, how my p*nis is small and how my ex moved on and she’s getting better d*ck now (Just to clarify, her and I were each other’s firsts and we both weren’t seeing anyone, well that’s where the story gets interesting). So I then started freaking out, I was with two of my friends and they heard all of this. I texted her “why did you say that?” And I was questioning her and I was in utter shock. I kept questioning her when she was sober if she’s been seeing someone and she replied “it’s none of your business”.
A few days later we planned on bringing each other’s stuff over. I asked her if she was down to come in and talk to me about this and she never replied. It’s July 31st, her car pulls up half way down the street and her friend walks out of the car. Her friend brings all of my stuff to my steps and I ask “where is she? Is she gonna talk to me?” her friend says “no. I don’t think she wants to. She left you a letter”. This is when I started freaking out. I ran upstairs into my room, threw all of my shit against my bed and the letter fell out. I open the letter and instantly see “I know you’ve been asking who I’ve been with, and even though it really isn’t any of your business, I’ve been hooking up with/talking to (a close friend).
I went into absolute fucking crazy mode. I was so upset. Here’s a little side story on the close friend: so basically this kid came into my life because I’m a photographer and he would slide up on my posts and tell me how cool my photography is and how he wants to do a shoot some time. So him and I did a shoot together and then out of nowhere we became close friends. He would give me advice on trying to get back with my ex, he’d literally use my phone to text her (being me) just to get her and I back together. And a few times I saw that he was hanging out with her and another one of her girl friends and I didnt think twice about it. I kept thinking that he was just chilling with my ex's friend.

So from July 31st, I’ve been at the LOWEST mental point in my life. There were days where I just cried, I sobbed every second. There were days where I wanted to just quit on everyone. I was so hurt, my closest friend was there every second of this heartbreak.
From July 31st up until a few days ago, I was blocked on all social media accounts, phone numbers, everything. I had no way to contact her, and she never contacted me.
Recently (September), I’ve been so much better. I learned to love myself, I appreciate life a lot more, I love hanging out with my friends, I work on my car, I still work at my job and make money, I love my family. On social media, I’ve been posting about how my mental health is so much better, how i’m so happy, how I appreciate life and love everyone. All I do is spread good vibes and positivity and then out of nowhere, a day before my 19th birthday she messages me on a new account saying “hi how have you been lately”. We texted ALL night.
She unblocked me on her real instagram and then the next day we hung out. We took photos together and we genuinely had a good time. The next day, she posted on instagram and I commented on the post “your personal photographer is so nice” and then I get a text from the old “close friend” who hooked up with my ex and he basically threatens me. So then I ask my ex, why is he texting me? Long story short, she told me they were dating. She was then asking me stuff about him, because I’ve known the kid since 6th grade (over 6 years ago) and she met the kid two months ago. She kept asking me stuff about him and she told me that they were having problems and she really didn’t know what was best for her right now.
A few days ago, she broke up with him. Her and I have texted every single day since she contacted me. Today, she texted me saying she only wanted a friendship with me and she didn’t want to do anything like cuddle/have sex because she was uncomfortable with it. I basically told her I didn’t want a relationship and I don’t have feelings for her (but unfortunately guys, I still have feelings for her).
I know this is so long but I honestly need help. What should I do? I get jealous of her talking to guys, I don’t like thinking of her sleeping with other guys, I MYSELF Do not talk to any girls because I just can’t. I have no game, I’m not ready to have sex with anyone else. I just want to do stuff with HER! I’m honestly in such a weird spot because I want to keep her in my life and I know she wants to keep me in hers, but I just don’t want anything to do with her if she doesn’t want to do anything with me/date me. I recently found myself relapsing and getting all sad and heartbroken again, now that she’s in my life again. What should I do?
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